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Pa. ponders trans fat ban
Task force discusses forced changes to restaurant menus
Intelligencer Journal
Aug 15, 2007 02:27 EST
By SUSAN E. LINDT, Staff

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QUOTE(MelodyMcFarland @ Aug 15 2007, 07:43 PM)

I agree that it is ridiculous that good food costs more than crap. It's a sad, sad state of affairs that a cheeseburger costs less than a sald or that coke is cheaper than bottled water (which is a total scam anyway).


Calls to mind the recent admission by Pepsi (?) that Aquafina was just bottled tap water. How "fine" is that water?
QUOTE(justplainjoe @ Aug 15 2007, 07:42 PM)


refined sugar is bad for you. try raw sugar instead.



I've recently become pretty interested in Sugar in the Raw. Joe, do you know if can you use it just like white sugar (ie. in baking)? Thanks.

BeingReal
As always I am trying to learn something from this thread. Can anyone tell me how trans fat is any worse than regular fat like what is in alfredo sauce ets. Many labels show very litle or no trans fat so it does not seem very popular for our legislatures to waste time trying to actually ban it unlike the smoking ban which has so much support.
When I said we all do things that are bad for us, i was referring to the fact that almost everyone I know has a vice. One friend loves ice cream, one pizza, many drink too much on the weekends. Some smoke when they drink and end up doing a whole pack in a few houre. All I'm saying is that the government can not waste it's time trying to legislate health. The governments responsibility is to give its citizens access to the best healthcare so that when illness happens, we can go to the doctor and get well.

pml
QUOTE(pml @ Aug 16 2007, 10:19 AM)
The governments responsibility is to give its citizens access to the best healthcare so that when illness happens, we can go to the doctor and get well.

If you think that, then you should be OK with government involvement in prevention, which is what smoking and trans fat bans will do. If the government is responsible for fixing me when I am broken, then they should be able to tell me what to do to prevent me from breaking in the first place.

I'm sorry, but I believe it is my responsibility to take care of myself. That includes both taking care of my health so I can hopefully minimize sickness and taking care of myself if and when I do become sick.

Your plan involves allowing people to abuse their bodies and then asking the government to pay to care for them when they become ill. You can't have it both ways.

BTW, when do you come back? Shawn and I are still organizing the group dump in your yard and we want to be sure you are there.

johnq
QUOTE(pml @ Aug 16 2007, 10:19 AM)
As always I am trying to learn something from this thread. Can anyone tell me how trans fat is any worse than regular fat like what is in alfredo sauce ets. Many labels show very litle or no trans fat so it does not seem very popular for our legislatures to waste time trying to actually ban it unlike the smoking ban which has so much support.

When I said we all do things that are bad for us, i was referring to the fact that almost everyone I know has a vice. One friend loves ice cream, one pizza, many drink too much on the weekends. Some smoke when they drink and end up doing a whole pack in a few houre. All I'm saying is that the government can not waste it's time trying to legislate health. The governments responsibility is to give its citizens access to the best healthcare so that when illness happens, we can go to the doctor and get well.


Essentially, transfats are a man made chemical alteration of "real fat", that result in no nutritional value. Real fats although unhealthy if eaten in excess do provide nutrituional needs to the body, and are not man-made. Here is an excerpt from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfat):
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Trans fat is the common name for a type of unsaturated fat with trans isomer fatty acid(s). Trans fats may be monounsaturated or polyunsaturated.

Most trans fats consumed today are industrially created by partially hydrogenating plant oils — a process developed in the early 1900s and first commercialized as Crisco in 1911. The goal of partial hydrogenation is to add hydrogen atoms to unsaturated fats, making them more saturated. These more saturated fats have a higher melting point making them attractive for baking, and extending their shelf-life. Another particular class of trans fats, vaccenic acid occurs in trace amounts in meat and dairy products from ruminants.

Unlike other dietary fats, trans fats are neither required nor beneficial for health. Eating trans fats increases the risk of coronary heart disease. For these reasons, health authorities worldwide recommend that consumption of trans fat be reduced to trace amounts. Trans fats from partially hydrogenated oils are generally considered to be more of a health risk than those occurring naturally.

Chemically, trans fats are made of the same building blocks as non-trans fats, but have a different arrangement. In trans fatty acid molecules, the hydrogen atoms bonded to pair(s) of doubly bonded carbon atoms (characteristic of all unsaturated fats) are in the trans rather than the cis arrangement. This results in a straight, rather than kinked, shape for the carbon chain, more like the straight chain of a fully saturated fat.


Later...shawn

Shawn
John Q, I don't know if i should report you to LOL or not. First I don't think I ever told you where I live unless by some chance you ride a motorcycle and live down the street. In that case it will be my pleasure to have you arrested for trespassing.
Now back to the thread, If the government pays for healthcare meaning just like Europe, free dental optical, and medical then our tax dollars would be put toward payment for this healthcare. I do not think England and Canada charge more for smokers or the overweight because with everyone paying in to the same plan there is money available for everyone. Also I don't think the doctors live as large as some American docs do. I also think medical school is not as expensive so the docs don't graduate with hefty loan payments which our docs use as excuses to charge $3-400 per hour. Because every hospital bill is actually paid unlike here where there are many write offs, hospitals are not charging as much for services. I would like to know what you think happens when a "healthy living" person gets cancer or diabetes, or another dibilitating disease. Do you think they should just get the free ride while healthy overweight people who never go to the doc foot the bill.
pml
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