OOPS...my soooo bad....should have said STAYED on because he did indeed know how to make it stay out. Such nit picking. And in our area of Missouri we have no emissions testing. And before I get corrected again I cannot speak for cities like St.Louis, Jeff City where I believe they do need emissions testing. The point is this...FOR THE MOMENT this seems to be a possible solution, maybe not the best, but its a start. Its sure better then sitting back and doing nothing which is what we appear to be doing. People can talk about LPG and Hydrogen all they like but until that happens, on a large scale basis, we still remain dependant upon foreign oil. With the world in the crisis mode it is in right now, that concerns me. I remember the gas rationing of the 70's and it wasn't fun!!!!!!!!!! Like I said before, I would wager a bet that if it came down to that again, many people, yourself included, might be lining up at the ethanol pumps.

Or make a still.
Why make a lateral, when the future is calling? I bet there is a gas concentration plant near you. The local variant is Air Products. Some work remains, but not more than building complete new facilities for production of ethanol.
Another nitpick: tampering with the factory set fuel map likely voids the warranty.
We have allowed the oil industry to lead the way to fuel independence. They have failed miserably. Now our hand is being forced a little, the answer is a lateral. This from America, the land of go big, or go home? We could be at the vanguard of a new day. Or we could just add corn liquor, and burn our food.

Where did you see these prices? I haven't seen such cheap E85 around here.

A few other points:

Don't think you can run E85 in any vehicle. Before long you will be replacing rubber parts (hopefully before they rupture).

Although ethanol is higher octane, it doesn't mean it's higher energy, just that's it's less vulnerable to predetonation. Most engines designed to burn gasoline have a compression ratio of 8.5:1 to 12:1, a much higher ratio is designed to get the most out of ethanol, and that would make it incapable of burning gasoline. Who in the auto industry wants to invest in an engine that only burns a fuel that may not be here tomorrow? How many of you would buy such an engine?

Hydrogen is an even bigger waste of time and resources. Hydrogen is no more a fuel than car batteries are a fuel. H does not occur on its own anywhere on earth. Making it is a very energy intensive procedure and we're lucky to get 15% of that energy back at a car's wheels. We're better served putting that energy and research into batteries for electric cars where we can get 80% of that energy back at the wheels.

Mason City, IA The spread is such because there is no transport involved as the product is made locally.


Never said you could or should. In fact I specified in an earlier post.



I brought up hydrogen as it is touted by some to become the ultimate fuel via fuel cells if I recall correctly. In any event, there are many possibilities out there. I will agree we have not tapped the depth of our collective ingenuity to supply our lives with energy for the future. While ethanol may not be long term, or perfect, it replaced MTBE as an additive, and does not need any modification to use.

As part of our national security, we absolutely need to be energy independent. Just remember: Not all acitvists are scientists. In fact, few are and the dirty little secret when one studies statistics is....they can be manipulated to prove just about anything.

Again I repeat: Energy independence is vital to our national security. I am all for all kinds of production, including off shore drilling and Alaska. China is presently sucking up the oil off the continental shelf near Cuba. Having discovered the North Pole once yielded a rich habitat they are making claims there. Why? Oil.

Why do the Kennedys have so much power when the Nantucket wind farms can supply the entire Cape (Cod) with it's energy needs.

All this CO2 pollution is a political "Chicken Little". Anyone who takes an ecology class (Al Gore didn't study science) learns the ocean, which covers 75% of the earth is a giant CO2 buffer which is not where near its capacity to take up CO2.

Unfortunately, lazy journalists perpetuate mythical science.

Corn, sea water (someone just figured out how to burn it), wind, petro, etc., free up good old American ingenuity and let them be rewarded for their hard work. Free people will figure out a way. We've shackled ourselves via lawsuits and bad science.

No one wants a dirty planet. Or war! So let us become energy independent so we aren't dependent on terroristic nations and could care less about both.