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Brubaker seeks ban on gay marriage
Intelligencer Journal
Feb 08, 2008 01:59 EST
By DAVE PIDGEON, Staff

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QUOTE(tugrad @ Feb 15 2008, 05:15 PM)

No, she is his mother. Just like the woman that gave birth to him is his mother! Why is this so difficult for some people to get. Just because it is different from what you know doesn't make it wrong or invalid.
** sorry for answering for your mac this question just made me crazy.


Not like if they hear it enough times then they'll get it.........LOL It's all good!!
QUOTE(Milton @ Feb 15 2008, 05:28 PM)

Biologically it would then be wrong...one cannot have two momies.
Man, I know I'm gonna get from the tollerance police for that one!

How about someone that adopts a child and then reunites with the biological mother. Does this person have 2 mommies??????

Bigmaclender2
QUOTE(wonderwoman @ Feb 15 2008, 09:14 AM)

Why do people who are NOT born homosexual [ it is a chosen option as an adult ]

You aren't homosexual (you say you aren't), so how could you possibly have any idea if it's chosen or if people are born that way.

ALL RELIABLE scientific research shows that people do NOT choose their orientation, yet you say they do. I believe the scientists who have conducted extensive research and done so without preset prejudice much more than I believe you. Just because you SAY they choose, doesn't make it true. You have no credentials, you have no authority, you have nothing, but you expect people to believe that you know more than the scientists, more than the people who are actually gay, more than anyone else in the world about this just because you say so?

It doesn't work that way.
QUOTE(wonderwoman @ Feb 15 2008, 09:14 AM)
.....deserve more perks from the government than single people? If all single people were granted the right to joint property, tax breaks and health care [ if under the same roof to share expenses ], then all bases would be covered. This would also help with expenses which will soon become a problem for group homes. Group homes are possibly losing government subsidies. That seems to me to be a bigger issue than whether two same sex people should be called NORMAL just because they are choosing a same-sex partner. NORMAL is losing any meaning in modern day society. Is it any wonder the world is experiencing moral decay?



Gays are not asking for ANYTHING above and beyond what they are entitled to as people. They are asking for the SAME rights, the SAME responsibilities and the SAME treatment that two people of opposite genders get. That is NOT asking for extra, and they ARE NORMAL. There isn't something AB-normal about being gay. The only difference is in who they fall in love with. You want to turn it into something dirty, something horrible, but it's not and we won't accept it.

Tuck
QUOTE(Goldilocks @ Feb 15 2008, 05:35 PM)


How do you know your viewpoint isn't coming from being brainwashed and programmed for life?

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out that there are always two, sometimes even three sides of everything.

Why is it that so many gay people (not all) fail to realize that theirs isn't the only viewpoint out there? And that not everyone who disagrees, isn't either brainwashed or programmed, but that they simply don't agree?

You got my point!!!!!! Whew, thank you so very much. I made a generalization just like straight people do towards "US" gay people. Brilliant!!!

I know there are MANY VIEWPOINTS.............MATTER OF FACT......HERE'S A VIEWPOINT FOR YOU TO FIGURE OUT...........I HAVE NO GAY FRIENDS.....EVERY ONE OF MY FRIENDS IS .............STRAIGHT...........I AM NOT A MAN HATER..........I ONLY HAVE ONE FEMALE FRIEND.......ALL THE REST ARE MEN......OVER MAYBE 30 OR 40 OF THEM. I AM BY NO STRETCH OF THE WORD YOUR TYPICAL LESBIAN. I UNDERSTAND AND AM RECEIVING THEIR VIEWPOINT ALL THE TIME. YOU WOULD BE AMAZED AT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THINK LIKE MANY PEOPLE ON HERE AND AFTER MEETING AND GETTING TO KNOW ME CHANGE THEIR WHOLE PERSPECTIVE ON THE WHOLE ISSUE.

Bigmaclender2
QUOTE(wonderwoman @ Feb 15 2008, 09:14 AM)

If a man chooses to lie down with his pig....should the pig then deserve medical insurance coverage from the man? This would be a queer choice. They are now a sexually active couple. So why should they not have special consideration?

Have you ever heard the word "Consensual". It means both parties agree, are legally capable of agreeing, and have the mental fortitude to make that agreement. You "example" defies that part and has no comparison in gays whatsoever.

If I wanted to be nasty here, I could easily ask:

Do you get medical insurance coverage from YOUR man? If so, then I suppose the pig does get it's way. THAT would be responding in kind to what you have written. I won't make that statement other than telling you it could be made, but I WILL state that some would see choosing YOU as a partner to be a "queer choice" and that you are in no way some saintly figure who has the right to declare what someone else deserves or doesn't deserve.

You have no right to make decisions concerning other people and you are not on a moral pedastal saying you are above others.

You are ignored because your statements are ridiculous.
QUOTE(wonderwoman @ Feb 15 2008, 09:48 AM)

tugrad. I am not impressed by the tee shirt worn by your paramour's daughter. It only shows that you are abusing an innocent mind.


HOW DARE YOU attack someone's CHILD. You are a disgusting, filthy, horrible person. There is no excuse for this and no way you can possibly justify such a statement.

You honestly disgust me.
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Feb 15 2008, 09:52 AM)

1) I have posted research on the contrary of what you have posted that you really can't say one way or another whether is a choice or genetic. You declare that it is a choice when you really don't know. Kind of like how the world used to be flat?? You dont' know so until you do you can't go around saying its a choice. Thats pretty simple to understand????

2) Sorry i didn't speak to every point of your posts, i forgot you always awnser every question or point directed at you. Single peole do have the same rights as normal people?? Not quite sure what your point is with that. Like i said take your hate-filled, CINO diatrabe some where else.



Great post Lysol. I'm just way to angry with this "persons" statements to address her now. I'm disgusted with her views, her words and at how low she would go to insult someone.

You did very well and you make excellent points that bury hers completely.
QUOTE(Lysol54 @ Feb 15 2008, 09:55 AM)

Well i get tired of seeing those WWJD shirts also becuase your just using his name to spread hate and intolerance. Which in my mind is alot worse than her daughters shirt. Using Gods sons name to preach hate is just wrong. So i would really reconsider what you said.


Exactly!!
QUOTE(pml @ Feb 15 2008, 11:07 AM)
Hey Lysol, great posts. I am going to have to really start respecting you more and just taking our disagreements adn really rethinking them. I am finding you are right more of the time lately.
Most Christians are good people who mind theri own business and leave others to live their lives. Just like most Muslims are law abiding and also mind their business.
It is the few of both religions that cause more chaos and war than any other group in history. Hubby always says if theri were no religion there would be no wars or terror attacks.
I am sick of CINOs trying to force their beliefs down my throat. They want our children to pray to THEIR God only in school and want every woman who gets pregnant to have the child no matter the circumstances. Pregnancy threatens the mother, God's will, child will be born with huge disabilities, God's will, mother is 12 and poor, oh well. They never offer to raise these children or pay to raise them yet they want to force women to have them.
They want to outlaw divorce but prohibit two loving comitted people from marrying. I may sometimes be a hippocrite, but nothing compares to the CINOs.


Another excellent post. I agree.
QUOTE(tugrad @ Feb 15 2008, 11:14 AM)


Now, WW I have been ignoring you. You post the same insane "research", you insist on posting the same bigoted "facts" and everyone is ignoring you. Then you complain that your being ignored. That is all fine but you cross the line when you use the term "paramour" for my wife.

I don't give a damn if you are impressed by MY daughter's t-shirt. And I don't give a damn if you think we are "abusing an innocent mind" but at least get the terms correct.

She had no right to say those things and no right to bring your daughter into it at all. She sunk as low as anyone can ever go. She SHOULD be ignored. I'm furious just from reading it and it wasn't my child. However, it IS the child of someone I know and I can tell her right now...Tugrad is 100 times the woman you are "wonderwoman". She is a good person and a good mother and you have no right to attack her, her wife or her daughter.

I'm sorry she did that and I am behind you 100% Tugrad.

Tuck
QUOTE(Tuck @ Feb 15 2008, 04:33 PM)

I'm still waiting for your response about having coffee. If you don't like coffee, there's tea, soda, bottled water, whatever you like.

I'm a Christian asking to meet with you, are you Christian enough to accept the offer or is that just all talk with nothing behind it? I'll be waiting, and making more offers, and more, and more and more.

Christ would have been right on top of it, I guess you need a little more incentive. I said I'd buy. You can name the place, the time, all of it. Let me know when you want to have our Christian get-together, I'll be waiting.


Sorry Tuck, but I consider it very unwise to meet someone in person who I met in an internet chat room or forum. I will NOT meet you and I do consider your constant badgering about meeting as stalking and harassment. DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR?

Goldilocks
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