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Gay marriage ban stalled
Sen. Brubaker says full Senate vote would be pointless if bill then dies in House committee.
Lancaster New Era
Published: May 07, 2008
10:57 EST
Lancaster
By BERNARD HARRIS and TOM MURSE, Staff

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QUOTE(johnq @ May 12 2008, 09:30 AM)
The name of the amendment does not matter, except as a point of semantics. Only the content really matters. And for that, there have been a number of people who have come on and explained why they feel it is important to have the amendment. You feel you are right, they feel they are right. Who, then, is right? Or, perhaps, neither is right, and neither is wrong.

My sense, from real world conversations, is that there are a few on both sides of the issue that feel very strongly about their opinion. There are many more, who do not feel very strongly about it, and really do not seem to care one way or another about. Not all, but many gay men I know do not seem to care about the issue. It seems that more lesbians feel strongly about it. My opinion is that more lesbians have children, and live as a family, than gay men do, and so the issues (insurance, custody, etc.) that surround marriage are more important to them. I do not pretend to speak for anyone here, just making an observation based on the people I know personally.


That would be a correct observation. There are far more lesbians in relationships where children are involved then gay men. I really do think that you understand what is going on, even If I don't always come right out and say it. Hypothetically speaking, how would you (one) feel if their heterosexual relationship was always being put "to the test"?? It becomes taxing after a while and that can make one a bit defensive. If I appeared that way to you then I am sorry because if you really did get to know me you would know how I really feel. (which I would never be able to post on LOL for fear of being killed.) (and not by the heteros).........

Bigmaclender2
Little D
Who is the rest of us that you are refering to. Certainly not me or the majority of the people I know. You are a religous fanatic. You claim you speak for God. Not in my book. The God I think of cares about everyone, not a small group of people that think they are holier then everyone else. Until you stop attacking people in the name of God, unless you stop the judging of others you are definitly a problem. In my book you represent a large problem in this area. Try helping others instead of attacking them. Then you will be doing what God wants.

Makita

QUOTE(johnq @ May 8 2008, 09:58 AM)
I got him from a breeder in Landisville. A litter of one. I don't recommend a boxer unless you know exactly what it takes to raise one. If you really want one, pm me and I can give you some info on a few other good breeders I know of.

Are you able to post pics on here? I'd love to see your puppy.

What do plan to name him/her?
QUOTE(Faye101 @ May 8 2008, 10:32 AM)
Quite frankly, if a gay person is comfortable enough to be who they are, marry their partner and raise a family, I would not call that a gender issue. I call that 'being who you are with confidence." If you ask me, every child needs a family who loves and supports them for who THEY ARE, not for what society EXPECTS of them. I would say that gay parents would be the best at supporting children and their differences. Look at what society has put gay couples through and then tell me how a gay person could not understand how it feels to be different. I am in a child and adolescent development class and I've just recently learned that having two same sex parents has no 'extra' effects on the child. But do you know what does? Families torn apart by divorce, families that don't support each other, families with no love. Every child needs to be loved and nurtured and I see no reason to exclude gay people from loving- whether it be their child(ren) or their spouse. "Love knows no gender" and this world, right now, needs love. And if you break down the Christian faith to it bare essential foundations, you will find that it is all about LOVE, not love with exclusions because that wouldn't be love, now would it?

That was an awesome post.
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ May 8 2008, 11:04 AM)

You're a newbee so I will let some of your ignorance slide.

I didn't see any ignorance on her side.

You've been here forever, what's your excuse?
SproutingUp
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ May 12 2008, 09:35 AM)

How about, " Marriage isn't in such bad shape that we need to include gays".
The only buffoons out there are the gays that think we should recognize their abnormal sexual relations as normal behavior, it's not going to happen, we have not sank that low.
You can call it anything you want, it is what it is, protection for those who would devalue marriage to include those that it was never ever intended to include.
[size="3"]PS: Marriage needs to be protected from polygamists too. If gays were allowed to marriage, the same so called right can't be denied a polygamist.
No thanks

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On the contrary, we haven't risen to the point to include gay marriage yet. It's only after the backward and bigoted thinking that is displayed here in many posts I've read of your authorship that progress such as that could be made in society.

I don't know if you realize it or not, but your opinions are of a minority on this board as is your hateful approaches and bigotry.

There exists tons and tons of scientific fact as well as expert opinion that negate your viewpoint. I tend to trust the educated group who have studied these topics for several years and those who actually know what they are talking about moreso than I do the opinions of someone who is obviously prejudiced against a group of people for some unknown reason.

Remember. Prejudice is born out of fear, fear is born out of either ignorance or denial. Are you ignorant of the truths about homosexuality or are you in denial of them?

You are not forced to participate, nor would you be likely to find a cohort with any ease, so it really doesn't pertain to you, has no effect on you and quite frankly, doesn't concern you. The majority does not get to decide on the rights of a minority, the constitution does. That's why it was written. If it were the other way around, slavery would still exist and women wouldn't be allowed to vote. (I'm sure you would LIKE to say "that's how it should be", but know you can't on here without being shown for what you are)
QUOTE(Scout @ May 12 2008, 09:50 AM)


Somehow, Vcapecce, I don't think LDB has compassion for most of mankind


Is he even part of the group?
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ May 12 2008, 10:24 AM)

My compassion for gays is out weighed by my compassion for the rest of us that could be injured by gay marriage.


What injury? Gays don't tend to have pig-roasts, you're safe.

SproutingUp
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ May 12 2008, 09:35 AM)

How about, " Marriage isn't in such bad shape that we need to include gays".
The only buffoons out there are the gays that think we should recognize their abnormal sexual relations as normal behavior, it's not going to happen, we have not sank that low.
You can call it anything you want, it is what it is, protection for those who would devalue marriage to include those that it was never ever intended to include.
PS: Marriage needs to be protected from polygamists too. If gays were allowed to marriage, the same so called right can't be denied a polygamist.

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No thanks

Yeah, 'cuz we all know straight married couples never have any sexual novelties, fetishes, orgies and dramatic subplots involving adultery.
QUOTE(littledutchboy @ May 12 2008, 10:24 AM)

[size="3"]My compassion for gays is out weighed by my compassion for the rest of us that could be injured by gay marriage.


Don't worry, this won't mean that the closeted-gay but straight-married folks will immediately be found out for their secret homosexual affairs.
catgrr8
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