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Harrisburg Pike corridor will continue to grow. Study shows how to cut congestion, while not adding lanes.
Sunday News
Published: May 25, 2008
00:18 EST
Lancaster
By GIL SMART, Editor

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Here is an idea that will never be considered...how about the hospital, with all those millions, pays for a shuttle to bring in the customers? That's what they are, customers.

But no this is Lancaster and so we can't have private enterpise do what they can force the public to pay for, right?

The health campus can more than afford it.

Let them pay for it instead of the taxpayers.

The fact that this isn't even an option on the table says it all.
Bigby_M
QUOTE(Merch @ May 25 2008, 09:29 AM)


If this philosphy worked, there would be no traffic in New York City!

Gotta call you on this one- you are missing the point.

Do you know, or can one imagine, the traffic if people in NYC were NOT walking, biking and taking transit already?! It would simply be gridlock.
Without these alternatives, admittedly not for everyone, you would force out with roads and parking lots that which attracts people to begin with. Cities are all ABOUT interactions fostered by density and Congestion!
The biggest issue is the "painful" density where things aren't yet dense ENOUGH to foster alt transportation, to make it feasible to have most of your destinations within easy reach.
Harrisburg Avenue should have been rebuilt in phases as a multi-modal "Boulevard" as soon as Park City and Rt 30 were completed. Still thanking the Lord I wasn't hurt or killed all the times I walked/biked to Park City (thru Long's Park) from King Street as a child!!
Urban Design/Streetscape is key- the link between proper land use and transportation.

Mansfield
First, from the main entrance of Veranda to the main entrance at the health campus is over 4300 feet according to the County GIS, and that includes walking in the grass from the Harrisburg/Rohrerstown intersection. From the middle of the Veranda 'square' straight line (through houses and over a creek) is over 3700 feet.

Second, to what commercial establishments will the people living along Harrisburg Pike from Rohrerstown to State/Centerville walk? How many trips per week to the Health Campus do the people living within 0.5 miles of the Health Campus make?

Did the projection for a 1.6% annual increase in traffic assume 3200 units in Independence?

So there is no money to widen roads, but "Growing Together" said widening roads would be needed to handle the additional projected growth?

Do more with less? IOW, Harrisburg Pike will go to a Level of Service D or F because planners decided to allow growth without improving infrastructure?

Maybe we need new planners.
lee41
QUOTE(Mansfield @ May 26 2008, 03:14 PM)

Gotta call you on this one- you are missing the point.

Cities are all ABOUT interactions fostered by density and

It is you, my friend, who is missing the point. Those of us in the suburbs don't ever want to live in a city.

We don't even want to feel like we live in a city.

Our message to planners is clear, and we've said it over and over and over again:
Don't Be Dense!
anonymouse
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"We've run out of money to add additional lanes," said Danny Whittle, the county planning commission's principal urban planning analyst.

Danny Whittle is an idiot. He once addressed a group of Lancaster Township volunteers and told them that after driving through the Hamilton Park area on the west end of the township, it is one generation away from the slums. Just about everyone in the room was appalled and offended.
Hope
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