*sigh* I don't work either, but no one will ever hear me complain about what I don't have. Maybe you should have found a man who could support the lifestyle you want so we wouldn't have to put up with your constant whining.

No i'm not a neanderthal, just look at Dees post, that explains it pretty well. Thats your choice to stay at home and do nothing. But don't sit there and complain about not having the money. You get a tax rebate because your both employed? Yeah if that isn't defrauding the government i don't know what is. You can't sit here and expect the government to take care of your healthcare as a smoker then get to say well the people having kids should recieve nothing. It doesn't work both ways, you have to cover everyone or cover no one. But like i said with the kids, they grow up and contribute to the system, where as people like you just take from the system and from the way you describe defraud the system.

Exactly, you don't ever hear me telling Aly to get a job. I mean we dont' agree on anything, but shes not constantly whining about what she doesn't have or wants.

It looks like we all have the same point (except that part about not agreeing with anything Aly1 says), that no one begrudges PML not working, just her complaining about the consequences of that choice.

I am a childless smoker who supports CHIP. PML, you are not being villified for not having children; if anything it is your callous, who gives a rat's arse, let the kids die attitude that peeves everyone off.

Yes, children are the responsibility of the parents. A couple who chooses to have 3 children and makes $100,000 per year is more than likely able to provide everything for their children without assistance, yes?

Now say one of the parents dies or becomes permanently disabled ... income is now $50K, living parent is now struggling to make ends meet. Or one of the parents works for a company that goes belly up ... again, half the income is gone. If that parent who dies or loses their job was carrying the family insurance, the other spouse and kids are out of luck.

Please don't say, they can get another job ... in this economy, that isn't always such a smart move. New company could go belly up, or start downsizing (last in, first out). Welfare was never intended to be a lifestyle; it was a helping hand when all hell broke loose in someone's life. I hope you and your husband never face a time when you have to choose between buying groceries or keeping the electric on.

You are 100% correct, I date a smoker, I don't hate smokers. I have many friends who don't have children, I respect their choice. Her attitude is the only problem.