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1st streetcar for city line arriving here
Vehicle from Baltimore museum could be running on 2.6-mile loop in 3 years.
Lancaster New Era
Published: Jul 16, 2008
10:35 EST
Lancaster
By BERNARD HARRIS, Staff
What could be the first car of a future Lancaster streetcar line was coming to the county today.
This former SEPTA streetcar was purchased by the Lancaster Streetcar Company last week.
 
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A former Philadelphia streetcar was loaded onto a flatbed trailer to be trucked here.

The streetcar is one of three purchased from the Baltimore Streetcar Museum last week by the fledgling Lancaster Streetcar Co.

The local group hopes to establish a 2.6-mile streetcar loop between the Amtrak station at the northern edge of the city and Southern Market Center at South Queen and Vine streets and the Lancaster County Convention Center.

Two refurbished streetcars — three at peak times — would travel the loop every 10 minutes.

The former SEPTA car was headed for the Gerhart Machinery Co. near Brunnerville this morning. The car will be getting a "cosmetic restoration" — or a coat of paint — before streetcar supporters plan to put it on display in the city in coming months.

Jack Howell, president of the Lancaster Alliance city redevelopment organization and a Streetcar Company board member, said the repainted car will serve as a "three-dimensional brochure."

Many people have not ridden streetcars, he said. Displaying the car will provide an opportunity to discuss plans for the line, which he would like to have operating in three years.

Eventually, Lancaster Streetcar Co. plans to send the 1940s-era PCC streetcar to Warren, Warren County, where it can be restored. A complete rebuilding will likely cost between $350,000 and $400,000, Howell said.
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The PCC streetcars, named for the Electric Railway Presidents' Conference Committee, an industry leaders group that designed them in 1929, were never in service in Lancaster, said Howell. The sleek, art-deco-styled streetcars were a replacement to the spartan Birney streetcars that operated in Lancaster after 1915.

"Our goal is to have something that looks like a PCC but uses new electronics and technology," he said.

An example of that technology is regenerative braking, Howell said. In a process similar to a hybrid automobile, when an electric streetcar brakes, power is returned to the line that can be used by the other car on the line, he said.

The three cars, purchased for $30,000, follow an uncompleted first purchase of a streetcar by the Lancaster group in an auction in December. That car was located on a disputed lot in Brooklyn, N.Y. That car was cut up for salvage after a New York judge gave the former owner an opportunity to remove the car, Howell said.

"An unfortunate situation of egos," Howell said of the dispute between the former owner of the streetcar and the property owner. "It's just sad to see one chopped up."

The three streetcars from the Baltimore museum are in better shape, having been kept under cover.

The first one has already been shipped to the restoration facility in Warren. It is being stored there while the money is raised for the work. The third car is now blocked in at the Baltimore yard. It will likely be freed and trucked to Warren by the end of the year.

Local organizers already have applied to federal and state governments for the $14.1 million they believe will be needed for system construction. Although it has been passed over for funding once, Howell remains hopeful the project will be successful. The Streetcar Company would seek foundation grants and corporate sponsorship to operate the line.

Howell said getting the line operating may take longer than the two or three years he is shooting for.

"If it takes five years to do it right or two to do it wrong, we'll take five," he said.


Staff writer Bernard Harris can be reached at bharris@LNPnews.com or 481-6022.

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QUOTE(twinmom @ Jul 17 2008, 11:24 PM)

The homes are right after Liberty Street as you are going south on Prince. The two that just burned in the middle of the block. Charter bought the property diagonal from the ballpark, the burned down, I think it was a bread place at one time, but not homes. I expected to see some improvements quickly on that place, but it's sat virtually unchanged for it seems like years now. I think Artie told me a few months ago that he heard Charter was having financial issues with it? Seemed odd to me since they seem to have no problem building more and more homes elsewhere. And now the Warfel building across the street from that is empty.


Charter is having big time financial issues. Housing market is in the toilet. They are struggling to keep their head above water.

nightwatcher
QUOTE(nightwatcher @ Jul 17 2008, 11:32 PM)

Charter is having big time financial issues. Housing market is in the toilet. They are struggling to keep their head above water.

The market was good when they bought the building I thought? It's been quite a while.

twinmom
QUOTE(greidel @ Jul 17 2008, 04:50 PM)
Maybe they can include the Rocky Springs Carousel in the trolley station. I nominate the Carousel as dumb idea #3. They haven't even gotten that thing going yet, and they're on to trolleys.
Former Lancaster mayor Charlie Smithgall signed a binding contract that states the Rocky Springs Carousel must be located on the east side of Lancaster Square. City officials are still trying to find ways around that one.

QUOTE(twinmom @ Jul 17 2008, 11:24 PM)
I think Artie told me a few months ago that he heard Charter was having financial issues with it?
It was announced at a City Council committee meeting some months ago that Charter did the environmental cleanup at that site, then applied for State grant money after the work was completed. It doesn't work that way: you have to apply for the grant first, only then can you perform the environmental cleanup.

Charter expected lots of help from the government to clean up and rebuild that site, but because of their not knowing how to play the system there isn't much available to them.
Artie See
QUOTE(Nick Danger @ Jul 16 2008, 07:19 PM)
Eventually, Lancaster Streetcar Co. plans to send the 1940s-era PCC streetcar to Warren, Warren County, where it can be restored. A complete rebuilding will likely cost between $350,000 and $400,000, Howell said
Just think how many city streets could be repaired for $400,000.

Doesn't anyone use common sense any more?

Well, according to the paper last week I think it was, we could fix about ten (10) city blocks with each block costing about $39k.

Concerned Citzn
QUOTE(greidel @ Jul 17 2008, 04:50 PM)
Unless you live within a few blocks of North Queen St. and work within a few blocks of... somewhere else on North Queen St... this isn't going to replace your car. Given the number of stops it will have to make and its limited extent, I'll bet you could walk to work faster than taking this trolley. The only people it makes sense for are people carrying luggage from back and forth between the train station and the convention center and people who think riding the trolley will be "keen!" (I hope the novelty doesn't wear off too fast). Shuttle buses can do this same job for a fraction of the cost.

Maybe they can include the Rocky Springs Carousel in the trolley station. I nominate the Carousel as dumb idea #3. They haven't even gotten that thing going yet, and they're on to trolleys.


I would agree that putting the Carousel in the alread crowded Lancaster Square is a stupid idea. The carousel alone can not revitalize (Binghamtom, NY tried and failed on THAT one.) but it can be a nice attraction with space around it....A carousel needs the space around it to to take advantage and view and hear the attraction from various distances. Tucked into a corner where it would barely fit is stupid. My proposal was to put it on the Reifsnyder site (now occupied by the construction of the #1 stupid idea)
Arrogant stupidity....
vcapecce
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