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Holdup victim kills gunman in Manheim
2 armed robbers foiled by battery factory manager. One shot in chest; second flees.
Lancaster New Era
Jul 22, 2008 11:25 EST
Manheim
By TOM MURSE and JOHN M. HOOBER III, Staff

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QUOTE(momhas3bozs @ Aug 25 2008, 07:03 PM)
I GUESS TRYING TO SAY SORRY TO ALL YOU PEOPLE ISNT THE RIGHT THING TO DO EITHER BECAUSE YOU ARE STILL NOT LETTING UP I CANT GO INTO DETAILS BUT I CAN SAY I AM SOOOOOO SORRY.I JUST FOUND OUT THE SON I KNEW WASNT THE PERSON I THOUGHT HE WAS.

You owe nothing to any of us here. But a good start of your healing process my be to get in contact with the man who had to shoot your son. He was only going to work that morning, he wasn't out to kill your son. You also might want to think about his family who almost lost their love one because of your son's actions. I have kids, if it were my son who did this and was killed I would be pissed off at him for doing what he did and not the man going to work. Sure I would miss him, love him no matter what he did, but I would know that the real blame goes towards him. As for the cops they are just doing their job. You have a lot of anger, I think most of us can understand that. But try and use that anger in a positive way!

8220GRUMPY
QUOTE(shopordrop @ Aug 25 2008, 07:24 PM)
I would be shocked if our child would ever be in a situation like this, but if so, I would search for any error on our part.


I hate to break it to you but she expected better from her son as well. Kids fail to live up to their parents expectations all the time. In most cases it isn't fatal. This time it was tragic. Alec Kreider's parents weren't raising a murderer either which is a scary part of parenting.

Ma'am, apology accepted. Please listen to Grumpy when he tells you that you owe us on this forum nothing. Don't feel like you have to counterpoint a thing that's written on this forum. I don't know the impact of the news you just received, but please take a look around you and make sure you have a quality support group in place as you have a lot to deal with right now. If you don't, ask around as there are support groups helping each other cope with the loss of loved ones all over this community. Surely there's one for you guys if your family would benefit from that.

Nativeson
Very well said, nativeson. I have been trying to say the same thing to her on here and through PM's. I hope she get some help for herself and her family.
groundpounder
Ditto what grumy, native and gp said. I think most of us understand your grief. Maybe tb was a way for you to express it and work through it some, I don't know. I hope you can come to terms with what happened and move past it in a benefical way. Perhaps you could take all your dealings with the mental health aspect and try to help others in the same or similar boat. Most of all, please remember there is help available, all you have to do is ask.

twinmom
QUOTE(shopordrop @ Aug 25 2008, 07:24 PM)


I can't speak for anyone else here, but if this were my child, I would not be angry at the man, because I would recognize that what he did was in SELF DEFENSE, which was in response to the behavior of my son. I might be angry, but more than likely at myself. I would be asking myself what I did wrong as a parent that might have led to this situation. Then I would be angry at my son for causing his own premature death.

But then, I'm a logical, responsible adult that is willing to take blame when blame is due. From the day my daughters were born, I have worked to instill a feeling of respect for themselves and other. My husband and I give them opportunities to find their talents, to develop appropriate social interactions, and to excel academically. We take the opportunity to discuss current events, both locally and others, to help them to evaluate life's events critically. I would be shocked if our child would ever be in a situation like this, but if so, I would search for any error on our part.

How would you feel if you were robbed at gunpoint at your bar? Would you be blaming the bar for not being prepared for a robbery? Or would you feel the instinct to survive? If you had the opportunity to, would you shoot the robber? You would be saving your own life, but another mother would be losing their child. Which is more important, your survival, or the other mother's feelings? If you shot the robber in self defense, would you argue that it was necessary to save your own life, because he would have killed you, an innocent victim, instead? What would you say to the robber's mother, who would argue that the bar should have known that a robbery would happen someday, and should have done something to prevent it?


That's kind of harsh. I get what you're saying, but she did just lose her child. Don't say anything online that you wouldn't say to someone's face, and I don't know any logical, responsible adult who could chew out a grieving mother.
rockinmommy
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