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Holdup victim kills gunman in Manheim
2 armed robbers foiled by battery factory manager. One shot in chest; second flees.
Lancaster New Era
Published: Jul 22, 2008
11:25 EST
Manheim
By TOM MURSE and JOHN M. HOOBER III, Staff

Manheim officer Steve Watson marks as evidence this TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun. It was found near a ...(more)
 
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Manheim police Chief Barry Weidman inspects a baseball cap left behind by a robbery suspect near the P...(more)
 
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The battery regeneration firm, at 210 S. Penn St. in Manheim, is pictured here after the botched robbery.
 
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Two would-be robbers, apparently lying in wait before daybreak, picked on the wrong victim in Manheim early today.

One suspect, a 19-year-old Lancaster city man, was shot in the chest and died hours later at a local hospital.

The other fled on foot — without any loot — and is still at large.

Police did not identify any of the men.

The botched holdup occurred just after 5 this morning when two masked men dressed in black followed the operations manager of Power Pro Battery Company into his office at 210 S. Penn St., police said.


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Knowing he was about to be robbed, the manager pulled out his own handgun, turned and fired twice, hitting one of the suspects in the wrist and chest just inside the front door of the building, police said.

The worker, whose name has not yet been released by police, then called his boss, John Roads.
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"John, they tried to rob me," he said. "I shot somebody."

Both suspects fled east on foot, but the wounded robber collapsed about 400 yards away on West Stiegel Street, bleeding profusely from his chest.

Manheim Borough Police received word at 10:30 a.m. that the wounded robbery suspect had died. They did not release his name.

Police found a loaded TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun — a weapon that is rare yet increasing in popularity among criminals — nearby.

They also found baseball caps and a bandana, apparently worn by the two suspects.

Police were questioning the Power Pro Battery employee, whom they labeled a victim, this morning. They were also interviewing several other workers there.

"The victim has indicated to us that he acted in self-defense," Manheim Borough Police Chief Barry Weidman said.

"At this point it appears to be a robbery gone bad. We have no indication that it is any more than an attempted robbery."

Police marked off numerous pieces of evidence along the street early this morning. The southern end of Manheim is home to several businesses and  several homes, as well as an elementary school, H.C. Burgard.

Bill Butler, 41, a resident of the 200 block of West Stiegel Street near the  battery firm, said he was getting ready for work when he heard two gunshots. He looked out his guest-room window and saw two darkly dressed men running.

"I saw these two guys running about 20 feet apart," said Butler. "They were both dressed in black. One guy was behind the other, and he was going slower, and he was saying, 'Help me, he shot me.'"

Butler dialed 911.

Medical crews were dispatched to West Stiegel and Cherry streets at 5:25 a.m. Butler, a former Army medic who worked on an ambulance crew in West Virginia for 12 years, walked outside to help the wounded man.

"He had a sucking chest wound," said Butler.

Butler rode along with the Manheim Ambulance crew to Lancaster General Hospital. He said he held the wounded man's gloves over his wounds.

"He was conscious but fading. He said, 'I can't breathe,' and at one point he asked for his mother," said Butler. "It's something I've never seen before around here. I felt like I was back in the ambulance service."

Butler said the second robber fled north, through a brushy area between a building and parked trailers along the north side of West Stiegel Street.

Police launched a canine search but had not found the second suspect as of late this morning.

Roads said his worker, who was being questioned by borough police, had a license to carry the weapon. Police confirmed that.

Roads said the suspects were likely looking for cash and lying in wait for the operations manager to show up for work.

The company employs 14 people, including a team of drivers who carry cash to local junkyards to buy batteries. The firm reconditions the batteries for resale. Roads said employees for the firm have been robbed at least five times in its 10 years of existence.

The operations manager arrived for work shortly after 5 a.m. and parked his navy blue Chevrolet Avalanche along West Stiegel Street about 50 yards from Power Pro Battery.

Roads said the worker, sensing he was about to be robbed, intentionally left the business security system on so that it would trigger an alarm when the robbers entered. It did, and police were dispatched.

Roads added that there are surveillance cameras inside and outside the business, and that authorities are reviewing tapes.


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QUOTE(momhas3bozs @ Aug 25 2008, 07:03 PM)
I GUESS TRYING TO SAY SORRY TO ALL YOU PEOPLE ISNT THE RIGHT THING TO DO EITHER BECAUSE YOU ARE STILL NOT LETTING UP I CANT GO INTO DETAILS BUT I CAN SAY I AM SOOOOOO SORRY.I JUST FOUND OUT THE SON I KNEW WASNT THE PERSON I THOUGHT HE WAS.

You owe nothing to any of us here. But a good start of your healing process my be to get in contact with the man who had to shoot your son. He was only going to work that morning, he wasn't out to kill your son. You also might want to think about his family who almost lost their love one because of your son's actions. I have kids, if it were my son who did this and was killed I would be pissed off at him for doing what he did and not the man going to work. Sure I would miss him, love him no matter what he did, but I would know that the real blame goes towards him. As for the cops they are just doing their job. You have a lot of anger, I think most of us can understand that. But try and use that anger in a positive way!

8220GRUMPY
QUOTE(shopordrop @ Aug 25 2008, 07:24 PM)
I would be shocked if our child would ever be in a situation like this, but if so, I would search for any error on our part.


I hate to break it to you but she expected better from her son as well. Kids fail to live up to their parents expectations all the time. In most cases it isn't fatal. This time it was tragic. Alec Kreider's parents weren't raising a murderer either which is a scary part of parenting.

Ma'am, apology accepted. Please listen to Grumpy when he tells you that you owe us on this forum nothing. Don't feel like you have to counterpoint a thing that's written on this forum. I don't know the impact of the news you just received, but please take a look around you and make sure you have a quality support group in place as you have a lot to deal with right now. If you don't, ask around as there are support groups helping each other cope with the loss of loved ones all over this community. Surely there's one for you guys if your family would benefit from that.

Nativeson
Very well said, nativeson. I have been trying to say the same thing to her on here and through PM's. I hope she get some help for herself and her family.
groundpounder
Ditto what grumy, native and gp said. I think most of us understand your grief. Maybe tb was a way for you to express it and work through it some, I don't know. I hope you can come to terms with what happened and move past it in a benefical way. Perhaps you could take all your dealings with the mental health aspect and try to help others in the same or similar boat. Most of all, please remember there is help available, all you have to do is ask.

twinmom
QUOTE(shopordrop @ Aug 25 2008, 07:24 PM)


I can't speak for anyone else here, but if this were my child, I would not be angry at the man, because I would recognize that what he did was in SELF DEFENSE, which was in response to the behavior of my son. I might be angry, but more than likely at myself. I would be asking myself what I did wrong as a parent that might have led to this situation. Then I would be angry at my son for causing his own premature death.

But then, I'm a logical, responsible adult that is willing to take blame when blame is due. From the day my daughters were born, I have worked to instill a feeling of respect for themselves and other. My husband and I give them opportunities to find their talents, to develop appropriate social interactions, and to excel academically. We take the opportunity to discuss current events, both locally and others, to help them to evaluate life's events critically. I would be shocked if our child would ever be in a situation like this, but if so, I would search for any error on our part.

How would you feel if you were robbed at gunpoint at your bar? Would you be blaming the bar for not being prepared for a robbery? Or would you feel the instinct to survive? If you had the opportunity to, would you shoot the robber? You would be saving your own life, but another mother would be losing their child. Which is more important, your survival, or the other mother's feelings? If you shot the robber in self defense, would you argue that it was necessary to save your own life, because he would have killed you, an innocent victim, instead? What would you say to the robber's mother, who would argue that the bar should have known that a robbery would happen someday, and should have done something to prevent it?


That's kind of harsh. I get what you're saying, but she did just lose her child. Don't say anything online that you wouldn't say to someone's face, and I don't know any logical, responsible adult who could chew out a grieving mother.
rockinmommy
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