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Township could face Pa. criminal charges
Intelligencer Journal
Jul 23, 2008 00:06 EST
Manheim
By BILL HANNEGAN, Staff

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QUOTE(Mikerob @ Jul 23 2008, 05:39 AM)
Sarley said he'd spend more money to fix the problem, but what he didn't say was that it was going to cost the people of Penn Township more money on their already over priced sewar bills.

When I called about the high sewar bills, I was told they borrowed 8 million to build the sewar plant, and the reason the sewar bills were so high is because it cost more to treat water then it is to get fresh water, and I get Manheim Borough water not Penn Township water, and the people of Penn township are now responsible to pay the tab for the money the Township borrowed, but the sad part is I've been living here for 15 years and I don't ever remember getting any letter, asking Penn Township residence if they'd be willing to pay for a new sewar plant, to the tune of 8 million dollars.

It seems to me that there are to many people in office that think they can just make decisions for things that the tax payers will just have to pickup the tabs for, without discussing it first with the ones they want to pay their created bills. And here's the other kicker, I've used 4000 gallons of water a quarter by myself religiously, now isn't it safe to say if you have another adult living with you, that they would use 4000 gallons a quarter, because now you have 2 people using the same water, and it would be safe to say the water bills would double, but according to Penn Township instead of 8000 gallons a quarter, it's 13000 gallons of water use, and they told me that it was because the other adult was a woman that I'd have more water usage because of this, because women use more water then men, for cooking, and laundry etc. but i got news for them I cook and I did laundry long before I got married and moved my wife in here, so it sounds to me that Penn Township is a little crooked in their doings, and maybe the AG's office can look into that also.

I also heard that when they had the new sewar plant built they didn't even have permits or have approval from the DER to do so, they just took it upon theirselves to do what they wanted, so maybe the whole lot of them ought to go to jail.

Yeah, but now you don't have to worry about having your tank cleaned every couple of years or a well to worry about...people want to move into developments and want all the modern amenities, but don't want to pay for it...that's what happens with growth...it's all part of life in our growing communities! Deal with it!

Mary Poppins
If you don't attend meetings regarding the operations of YOUR municipality and something is voted upon without your knowledge, then you only have yourself to blame.
dean
I don't think hundreds of people need to attend monthly meetings in a municipality for a hand full to vote on what the hundreds should pay or are going to pay for this hand fulls actions.

I think it's more of the municipalities civic duty to inform the community of what they are planning to do, that might cost the tax payers more money out of their pockets, and in todays age of technology it isn't hard to inform the public without the public showing up to a meeting.

And as far as living in a modern development, well i'm here to tell ya this house isn't modern at all by far and it isn't in a developement, and you say people wanting all the modern amenities, what's so modern about running water. people have had running water in their houses for years, and with a well your water is free from mother nature,and a septic tank isn't that much to get cleaned, besides look at all the money you saved by getting your water for free and by getting the septic cleaned out every couple of years, verses quarterly payments for water and sewar.

And the rate at which the sewar is charged is by what the water usage is, if you use 10,000 gallons of water then your sewar bill is for 10,000 gallons. but you got to look at it this way, how can the sewar usage be accurate because people wash their cars, water their grass and like me i take 5 gallon buckets of water away from here to the job site and not all the water being used goes into the sewar system that these people are billing for which is for a household.
Mikerob
This fine is too small. There should be no excuses for this kind of practice. Penn's fine should be doubled or more.
Faulkner
QUOTE(Mary Poppins @ Jul 23 2008, 09:26 AM)

Yeah, but now you don't have to worry about having your tank cleaned every couple of years or a well to worry about...people want to move into developments and want all the modern amenities, but don't want to pay for it...that's what happens with growth...it's all part of life in our growing communities! Deal with it!


Mary Poppins ... hmmm ... wasn't she the KIND, SYMPATHETIC, nanny-type who said, "a spoonful of SUGAR makes the medicine go down?" Where's the SUGAR for poor Mike????
AngelFace
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