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Teen killer's appeal denied
Judge rejects softer sentence, says Kreider dangerous, not sorry.
Lancaster New Era
Jul 23, 2008 12:11 EST
Lancaster
By JANET KELLEY, Staff

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QUOTE(Faulkner @ Jul 24 2008, 05:38 PM)


I'm not sure what Eric is trying to say with his posts, but yours made his seem utterly rational.

What world do you live in?


Thanks.
QUOTE(AngelFace @ Jul 24 2008, 09:04 PM)


There are legal standards for a plea of insanity. His lawyer would have plead that way if Kreider had met the standards. The standard is not mental impairment. Truth be told, 98% of the population has some degree of mental impairment, whether depression, anxiety, stress level, IQ level, etc.!!! The standard is INSANITY. And insanity means the person did not know right from wrong, is incapable of understanding the charges against him/her, and cannot aid in their own defense. The minute a defendant runs, hides, covers their crime, they demonstrate they knew it was wrong. Talk to any lawyer. It is TOUGH to prove insanity. And you are right, License, all the planning and premeditation pretty much settled the first degree murder charge.


Actually, the meaning of legally insane does not mean crazy. A person found to be legally insane at the time of the crime, may very well be able to understand the charges against him/her and aid in their defense. Making the conclusion is a "Monday Morning Quarterback" interpretation of the defendant's state of mind at the time of the crime.

EricC
Fortunately the death penalty cannot be imposed on a minor so weighing the costs of executing Alec Kreider vs. the costs of life time imprisonment is a moot point.

For anyone who believes the Haines family would get some sense of closure from Alec's torture/death in prison, you're only kidding yourself. For anyone to wish the horrors of torture, sexual assault, or murder in prison against Alec Kreider (or any inmate) should really evaluate their own conscience and seek professional help.

As for the present case, v. Alec Kreider, thorough research into the record yields numerous points yet to be settled. I don't think this is over with this latest opinion from Judge Ashworth.

Time will tell...

EricC
FYI--

web link:
Special Pa. Prison Houses 16 Teenage Killers - Pennsylvania News Story - WGAL Lancaster
http://www.wgal.com/news/17021152/detail.html
Daisy Lee Myers
QUOTE(EricC @ Jul 25 2008, 05:10 PM)

Thanks.
Actually, the meaning of legally insane does not mean crazy. A person found to be legally insane at the time of the crime, may very well be able to understand the charges against him/her and aid in their defense. Making the conclusion is a "Monday Morning Quarterback" interpretation of the defendant's state of mind at the time of the crime.

The three standards I listed are three standards the courts use to determine "incapacity". As for Monday Morning Quarterback, in order to use an insanity defense, there is a court-ordered psychiatric examination. Then, when it is the duelling experts, defense shrink vs. the State's shrink, the judge makes the call.
AngelFace
Alec Kreider, who is facing three life sentences for killing the Haines family, will likely go there soon.

The facility is specifically designed for young men like these two.

Dr. Joseph Mazer-Kevich has run Pine Grove since the first inmates came 8 years ago.

Juvenile Inmates Treated Differently

"We have a population of approximately 750 inmates. Three hundred of which are classified as young adult offenders," said superintendent Joseph Mazurkiewicz.

Young adult offenders are those under the age of 18 who commit serious offenses.

Some have even been as young as 14.

For many, this is their first time in prison.

"They've committed some type of felony to be here and we understand that, we recognize it and we address it. But in the big picture, we have to realize that they are adolescent and they are juvenile," said Don Bachota, the program manager.

web link:

http://www.wgal.com/news/17021152/detail.html
Daisy Lee Myers
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