Wow you really think that JoePa's desire to recruit the best football talent ihe can to produce the best results he can is driven by some record that he has repeatedly denied he cares nothing about? Also, are you that nieve to think that Penn State is the only college campus where football players drink underage, and smoke pot, and get into fights? I went to a very very small college with a football team of less than 70 guys, and those same things went on there, and students got caught. It goes on at EVERY college campus and it goes on inseason, out of season, all year round. Now am I saying the actions of the players were proper? HECK NO! Do I think the number of violations over the past 2-3 years is growing out of control? YES! But a coach only has so much control over his players...he is not thier parents and he is not a babysitter. He is dealing with young adults and they will make the decisions they are going to make regardless of what a coach may say or instruct them to do. Take it easy on JoePa...he was criticzed when he wasnt winning enough games, he is now being questioned when he starts to win more game (about the type of players he recruits) he is asked repeatedly when he is going to step down as coach! The man is one of the top 10 coaches to ever coach..any sport...let the man do his job for the few more years he has left and let his legendary career be what we measure all other college football coaches against...He has deserved that much respect (I just hope his current players could just show him that sort of respect and just play football, go to class, and keep thier noses clean...like they should be doing)

How is that Kool Aid tasting? Joe Pa beat up on a bunch of patsies for most of his career. And, yeah, Big Ten included. Coming from SEC land I see the type of player who gets into trouble. They tend to be the better athlete who has little home support and think they cannot be touched. Does not make it right, but makes it reality. Look back three or four years ago and see who Joe Pa started to recruit and notice that they were not the same character guys he always used to recruit. He wants the record. So does Bowden. Cannot blame either, but both are really selfish and hurting their schools in the process.