LancasterOnline.com:News:Up in arms over big cats

QUOTE (reese @ Oct 12 2008, 12:41 PM)

Hey A1:
To this day, I still have no idea what "I smell like I sound" is supposed to mean.

Yep, that's the kind of wolf I was talking about. JMHO, but I think he sounds like crap.

QUOTE (Lancaster Eagle @ Oct 11 2008, 08:33 AM)

I can't believe that any of those objecting to shooting these lions have kids at home. I have children, and I can tell you flat out that if I saw a mountain lion anywhere within sight of my property, I'd drop it with a bullet in a heartbeat. Its an animal, not a person. I will defend my land and my family and I won't wait for the predator to pose a threat. Waiting until it threatens can easily be too late.

The Game Commission's response on this is unbelievable. If you don't want people shooting these animals, then take their reports about them seriously and get after these cats in a safe, humane manner. But if you're going to act like people are being foolish, then what on earth do you expect them to do?!

I applaud the guy who shot and stabbed two of them. That's two less predators that are threatening their children and livestock. They need to find the third one, hopefully alive, but dead if necessary.

I just have one question.....If a human predator posses a threat, is it ok to shot or stab them?
Look at all the "humans" who have Protection from Abuse orders, against a person who threatens them or there family. Most of the time it is to late when something does happen and someone is seriously hurt or dies.
If it were ok to run around and shoot and stab potential Human predators, and only get a fine, imagine all the fines that would be paid...
I guess what I just want to really say is that animals have rights also.

QUOTE (Prodigal son @ Oct 12 2008, 10:52 AM)

I'm not up to date on the Pennsylvania game laws, but if the guy could be fined for killing a federally protected species, shouldn't he also be fined, have his gun confiscated, and lose his hunting rights if it turns out he killed a bobcat? I'm sure the Game Commission is very explicit on licensing and seasons.
Along those lines, could one be held accountable if they trapped a grey squirrel in their back yard, transported and released it in the "wild" ? You would be in possession of a game animal, out of season, not properly licensed in your vehicle. Could the Commission (if they really wanted to press the issue) then confiscate your car?

If you are not up to date with the Pennsylvania game laws, then I suggest that you get your legal questions answered right from the game commission itself. According to the paper, they are already either denying, or don't know that there are big cats in Pennsylvania, or one may have escaped, or that a fine could be imposed if one is killed.

This news article is about mountain lions, not about killing bob cats or squirrels out of season. In answering your question about picking berries and then shooting a black bear in Northern Pennsylvania.......I am saying according to my statements, that if I am in Lancaster County (not up north) and I'm picking berries and encounter a mountain lion (they are 100% carnivorous) in which has been extinct in Pennsylvania since the 1800's, yes I'm saying that should I have the right to shoot it in self defense, or in defense of a neighbor, livestock or their child before they are attacked. Bears already have a behavioral track record. You are putting your own conclusive words into my statements with the bear scenario. This is about removing or relocating unpredictable dangerous animals from populated areas.
There were far less farms and population in the 1800's that were endangered from this completely carnivorous animal. A lot has changed since. The bears in northern Pennsylvania as you mentioned have always been there and survive with a usually non-carnivorous diet of wild berries and such. They are also very shy. People who live in the mountains live with this wild life just like deer. Bears hibernate in the winter, mountain lions don't. The game laws for these bears has been established for many years.

Its kinda odd that the boy who was bow hunting 200 yards from where this cat was said to be shot never heard a gun shot? Also the blood trail from the shot cat. Just seems funny when you add water to it it stains you hands? You can see in the photos of the guys hands they were still staind red the day after the shooting. Also when we added Peroxied to the blood it didnt bubble up. If you ask me the who this was staged , Why i have no clue. but i know a cat will go for the head and neck area for a bite and this cat didnt do that. This is Joke!!!! Take some red food color put it on you finger and see if you can wash it off. Also that blood wasnt red it was pink.

QUOTE (r2010 @ Oct 13 2008, 09:52 AM)

If you are not up to date with the Pennsylvania game laws, then I suggest that you get your legal questions answered right from the game commission itself. According to the paper, they are already either denying, or don't know that there are big cats in Pennsylvania, or one may have escaped, or that a fine could be imposed if one is killed.

This news article is about mountain lions, not about killing bob cats or squirrels out of season. In answering your question about picking berries and then shooting a black bear in Northern Pennsylvania.......I am saying according to my statements, that if I am in Lancaster County (not up north) and I'm picking berries and encounter a mountain lion (they are 100% carnivorous) in which has been extinct in Pennsylvania since the 1800's, yes I'm saying that should I have the right to shoot it in self defense, or in defense of a neighbor, livestock or their child before they are attacked. Bears already have a behavioral track record. You are putting your own conclusive words into my statements with the bear scenario. This is about removing or relocating unpredictable dangerous animals from populated areas.
There were far less farms and population in the 1800's that were endangered from this completely carnivorous animal. A lot has changed since. The bears in northern Pennsylvania as you mentioned have always been there and survive with a usually non-carnivorous diet of wild berries and such. They are also very shy. People who live in the mountains live with this wild life just like deer. Bears hibernate in the winter, mountain lions don't. The game laws for these bears has been established for many years.

I see, attack the newbie has open season.
(Little background here.. born and raised in Lanc.Co., spent 45 yrs there, now live in the west..)
I highly doubt this man saw a mountain lion. It was suggested by someone else that it may have been a bobcat. My question was hypothetical about the consequence one would face if it were a bobcat, and he shot it. Or transport a game animal. Big deal.
My original statement was that I would shoot a mountain lion to provide proof of their existence, being fully aware of the illegality of the act.
Your stance is that you would shoot it as a PERCEIVED threat.
Since black bears have been known to attack humans on occasion, I stand by my bear scenario.
Even though there are none in So.Lanc. Co.
Here's another one for you...

http://biofort.blogspot.com/2007/11/avian-...e-was-last.html

If you now believe eagles are a danger to small children, do you have a right to blast them out of the sky? They are carnivores, they reside in So.Lanc.Co., and you have small children. Or to protect the neighbor's rabbit farm. Hmmm.... according to YOUR perception of threat, yes, you can.

P.S. Notice how most of those stories are 100 years old? Same as the last cougar in Pa? Maybe since there were no more cubs to eat....LOL