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Sewer, fire needs draw crowd in Manor Twp.
Lancaster New Era
Published: Nov 07, 2008
11:13 EST
LANCASTER
By DAVID O’CONNOR, Staff Writer
Two large groups of folks, both looking for answers from Manor Township officials, made for a full house at Thursday night's township supervisors meeting.

One group was a contingent of residents from Letort Manor and Perth Hills, two township neighborhoods where residents are angry over what they may have to pay because of the many failing on-lot sewer systems where they live.

The other group consisted of local volunteer firefighters, who exhorted the township to consider adopting a "fire tax" to help pay to replace what they say is aging equipment and other pressing needs.

The Letort Manor and Perth Hills residents found out Thursday that the township supervisors will hold a special meeting on Tuesday, Nov. 18, at Manor Middle School to discuss the sewer issue that has galvanized their two neighborhoods for most of 2008.

The session at the school, on Charlestown Road, will run from 7:30 to 9:30 p.m.

The second group, the volunteer firefighters, most of them from the West Lancaster Fire Department, came out on a night that the Manor supervisors unveiled a tentative township budget for 2009. It calls for no tax increases. and represents what township officials agreed is a bare-bones spending plan for next year.

Hearing the firefighters' request for help, the supervisors agreed they're considering the so-called fire tax to help the volunteer companies that protect the township, including West Lancaster ... but it just can't be enacted in time for 2009.

The supervisors heard township finance director Ryan Strohecker outline next year's spending for the township, which includes a $4.9 million general-fund budget.

The township's real-estate tax would remain at 0.78 mills under the proposed budget.
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"We are able to present to you a balanced budget," Strohecker said, but the township did have to dip into reserves and other funds, like sewers and the capital reserve, to do that.

But "this budget doesn't do much to help (fire companies) with some of the equipment issues," Joan Matterness of 213 Sutherland Road, told the supervisors.

She doesn't feel safe, she said, living in a township where "this is the kind of equipment that these gentlemen (firefighters) have to live with.

"It's very good that you're holding the line on taxes ... but one of these days we're going to have to pay the piper," she added.

Several of the supervisors voiced support for the idea of a fire tax. Supervisors' Chairman John May said he's "strongly in favor" of such a tax, but said there wouldn't be enough time to develop it for 2009. Next year's budget must be approved by Dec. 31.

Both the revenues (about $4.8 million) and the expenses budgeted for 2009 represent slight increases over 2008, Strohecker said. Salary increases of 3.5 percent for the township's employees are budgeted.

As for the Letort Manor/Perth Hills sewer issue, the Nov. 18 meeting was moved to the middle school to handle the large crowd expected.

Last year, the residents of the 571 homes in the two developments were notified that the cost of switching from on-lot systems to public sewer could cost as much as $16,000 — and that they would be picking up their own tabs.


Staff writer David O'Connor can be reached at doconnor@LNPnews.com or 481-6033.

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QUOTE (lee41 @ Nov 16 2008, 03:20 AM)
Mileage between stations is not the issue. The issue is the mileage from a fire station to the residents and businesses in Manor Township. West Lancaster is closer to many areas (though not all areas) of Manor Township than any other non-Manor Township station.

I plotted the addresses of the other fire stations on Google maps, and other than the neighborhood in the immediate vicinity of the current fire station (which is less than a mile from one of the stations in Lancaster Twp), it really looks like the rest of the northeastern part of Manor Twp (presumably the section served by West Lancaster) is as close or closer to Millersville, Mountville, or Rohrerstown's fire station. Adding a fire tax to support this one station - when there are five others within an acceptable range just doesn't make sense to me.

QUOTE (lee41 @ Nov 16 2008, 03:20 AM)
Fire units from outside of Manor Township (East Hempfield, Lancaster) do respond to assist West Lancaster in Manor Township. West Lancaster also responds into both of these municipalities to assist. This is mutual aid. If you remove West Lancaster from that equation, then it is no longer mutual. You would be getting services paid for by the residents of those other municipalities.

Which is why I would support Manor Twp funding these other departments. I just think in the near and long-term, this would be more efficient.

QUOTE (lee41 @ Nov 16 2008, 03:20 AM)
The only way to balance that would be for Manor Township taxpayers to pay Lancaster and Rohrerstown fire companies for that coverage. But if you had to pay a fire tax, would you want those revenues going to Manor Township fire companies or to those outside of Manor Township?

I'm not terribly concerned about where the money goes, I'm concerned that it does the most good. By having more physical locations and equipment, you add cost that just seems to be overkill.

QUOTE (lee41 @ Nov 16 2008, 03:20 AM)
If not West Lancaster, on what Manor Township fire company do you want to rely?

Again ... I just want to rely one A fire department. I don't care what the name on the fire truck is, I just want it to make sense. Funding a fire station at that location just doesn't seem to make sense anymore.

Also, this idea of a Lancaster County fire department seems to make the most sense. All of this concern over township/borough lines seems a bit trivial. It's time for townships and boroughs to get together and do what makes sense.

... and a final note ... I do agree that all taxpayers have been getting a relative bargain over the years when it comes to fire departments. It's time to start paying in to support this service. I just want the service to make sense, and be efficient.
Booya
The likelihood of a county-wide fire department is equal to that of a county-wide police department. It took years for something as simple as municipalities agreeing on a trick-or-treat night.

The closest alternative is a fire district or regionalization. One goal of a fire district is to set-up an authority that can assess a fire tax in multiple municipalities to fund that regional effort.

Until last year, fire protection in a second class township code was optional. With legislation passed in 2008, first class and second class townships as well as boroughs are now responsible for fire protection 'to the extent determined by the township'. The municipality is also responsible for 'appropriate financial and administrative services' for the fire companies.

I am sure station locations and apparatus will be part of the merger talks in Manor Township. Also, consider that Lancaster Township wants to close the Maple Avenue station and relocate to across from Manor Shopping Center.

The location of personnel pools is another item. One service delivery benchmark is 15 personnel on-scene within 9 minutes of dispatch 90% of the time. If Rohrerstown and Lancaster Township only have 6 personnel each (not uncommon especially during the day), relying on 3 personnel from Millersville may not meet that benchmark.

It may also be more cost effective to continue to operate at an existing 'misplaced' station than to aquire land and construct a new 'properly located' station.
lee41
The ONE paid fire company in the county costs as much to run as the next 40 fire companies combined. And with union representation, that's not going to change. That's one important statistic you need to know about fire coverage.

QUOTE (talonsfromheaven @ Nov 16 2008, 10:24 PM)
Okay. I'll jump in here . I've been in the Fire Service since 1977 . As a Volunteer and as Paid. I've seen alot of changes in those 31 years . From the first year I was ever involved and my Company made it on 17 G's in donations . Until today when many of Volunteer companies are subsisting just barely on 100'gs . From a time when my first company could turn out on average 12 personel for a call until today when some companies can't field even 4 personel . I witnessed a time when one of the fire companies mentioned in these posts wouldn't call for mutual aid from anyone . Now it is standard to have 1 apparatus responding from 3 seperate stations just to get on the street what we once fielded from 1 . I've seen it all , some things change and some don't . We have always been short of funds and manpower to some extent. Today though it is more accute then ever and it needs to be addressed. Because of the very nature of our local government and the corporate nature of our local fire service probably the most effective way to deal with our problems will never happen. That is a County wide department , with a county wide fire tax . So many of my comrades in the fireservice are afraid of this . I read constantly of the fear tactic of either support the volunteers or pay for a career service. That tactic is losing ground everyday. Currently I believe there are 83 volunteer stations and 1 paid department . No where is there a need to staff all 83 stations with paid personel . If it ever comes to the volunteers being unable to get out consistently, (it's happening already) then it may be time to only staff certain strategically located stations with paid staff. The day will also come when we will decide that 83 stations are not needed. Rather at one time a fire company sprung up where the populace was located, they are / were also located based on NFPA standards that were then antiquated and they still haven't been updated to reflect the modern fire apparatus capabilities. No one should ever place too much confidence in the NFPA , for the committes making up the NFPA are has beens, never were's and wanna bes . With a liberal sprinkling of persons from private industry who are there to promote their interests. It may be time to establish fire districts crossing political boundaries . Again our Commonwealth may not allow that , but certainly in these times it makes more sense .
As to complaining about seeing apparatus at McD's , ie joy riding. Training has become a problem in the fire service . Just how much family time do we as volunteers give up . We are mandated to maintain certain levels of certification. If it is perceived that the troops are out joyriding . Think of this, They may be training a new chauffer/operator . It makes sense to take a crew so as to be able to respond to a emergency. It may also be that those volunteers came directly from their job to training and didn't have a chance to eat . Why get so uptight that a crew takes apparatus to a restaraunt?
Before this gets too longwinded . I do believe that local government had better start treating their local fire service with as much respect and funding as they do their law enforcement agency . In turn it is also the responsibility of the fire service to recognize that some stations aren't needed anymore and the personel staffing said station would better serve their citizens by allowing their station to close or be relocated and joining another department. We also need to be truthful and recognize that because we have 3 pieces of equipment now it may not be necessary or prudent to attempt to keep 3 pieces of equipment . Especially in light of the fact that we often times don't have enough staffing to even safely staff 1 apparatus . We the fire service need to be the first to admit that times have changed and it won't stop changing . In the same light government needs to relieze that the way they have provided fire service to their communities for recent memory just isn't gonna work anymore either.
legaleagle
QUOTE (a guest @ Nov 11 2008, 09:40 PM)
I highly doubt that you have ever donated judging by your response. So from what your telling me, your against having a crew on the engine that can have a great response time and you want them in the station all the time? Did you ever think with the rigs on the street with the crew in uniform that would be good pr?? No, of course not...


Sounds like advocacy for a career fire service. I like it.
avgwhiteguy
QUOTE (avgwhiteguy @ Dec 8 2008, 08:56 PM)
Sounds like advocacy for a career fire service. I like it.

I've been a volunteer for almost 20 years of my life. I can't do it forever. Reality is, people are going to need to make some choices in the next few years, start showing more support for the Volunteer Fire Service or Start paying for Career Personall...
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