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Runoff plan approved for Crossings in Manheim Township
Intelligencer Journal
Jan 13, 2009 01:23 EST
Lancaster
By LARRY ALEXANDER, Staff Writer

The Crossings at Conestoga Creek cleared its first hurdle Monday when Manheim Township Board of Commissioners approved its stormwater runoff plan.

The $100 million, 650,000-square-foot shopping complex is proposed for a former 90-acre farm across Harrisburg Pike from Long's Park.

Those in favor were Carol Simpson, Larry Downing and Michael Flanagan; Nancy Keebler and Rick Casselberry voted no.

The opposition was represented by attorney Bill Cluck, who believes the township's approval of the plan was a violation of its own stormwater ordinance.

"We'll see them in court," Cluck said. "They violated the law by going against their own ordinance."

"The commissioners spent a good deal of time understanding all of the issues that went into this plan," said Benjamin H. Bamford, senior development manager for the developer, High Family Partnership. "And certainly we think now that they have given us a majority positive vote, we'll be able to move ahead with plan development."

The plan involves encroaching on the floodplain of Little Conestoga Creek, which flows to the rear of the tract.

The developers would compensate for that by digging down in the flood plain to allow a volume of floodwater to move through it similar to what floods there now. That would prevent spillovers.

But the proposed flood plain configuration still would be 4.5 acres short of what is there now. Cluck said this flood plain deficit is not allowed under the law and the board cannot change the ordinance to suit a developer.

"You do not have the power to modify your ordinance," Cluck said.

A plan for the site with a 6-acre floodplain deficit was defeated by the commissioners in a 3-to-2 vote in September with Flanagan joining the nays.

Monday, Flanagan changed his vote, saying he had intently studied all of the minutes, as well as comments by those both for and against, and "found compelling" comments by the township's engineer that High's plan will work.

Even though the flood plain still shows a 4.5-acre deficit, High's engineer, Gerald McClune, said the new plan adds more of a streamside buffer and would improve the quality of the water being discharged into Little Conestoga Creek.

Some residents spoke in favor of the project. Larry Pulkrabek told the board, "This (project) is the future. Don't buy into the idea that change is bad and that you have to put on the brakes."

Residents downstream from the planned development, most of whom live in Manor Township, are still not sold on the plan.

Arthur O'Connor said flooding is bad already, and he fears it getting worse. He said he was told to plant trees to the rear of his home to serve as a buffer. He did that, he said, and subsequent flood waters have all but wiped them out.

Flanagan said 18 conditions are being attached to High's approval, most of which require that discharge and volume coming from the site is not to exceed what is flowing from it now.

The conditions also require stage-by-stage inspection and approvals from all levels of government from the township to the state Department of Environmental Protection to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

Besides, he said, the board is "approving a concept." There are many approval steps the project must go through before its completion.

On the conditions, Bamford said he had not yet had the chance to look them over, but from what he heard from the commissioners, there was nothing "we felt was going to be an issue."

The Crossings project would consist of 45 commercial lots ranging from 500 square feet to 132,000 square feet in four main buildings.

The project includes a $27.5 million plan to improve traffic flow by reconfiguring the intersection of Harrisburg Pike and Route 30.

The Crossings at Conestoga Creek is expected to generate 459 new daytime car trips and 1,476 new evening trips every day on weekdays and 2,332 new trips on Saturdays.

E-mail: lalexander@lnpnews.com


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QUOTE (ReaganRepublican @ Jan 14 2009, 06:10 AM)
How about if it instead read like this:

Your "fantasy quote" sounds exactly like so many of the statements made about the taxpayer-financed hotel and convention center project.

Had "Crossings" been hyped like the downtown project, might it face less public opposition?
Artie See
QUOTE (Artie See @ Jan 14 2009, 06:22 AM)
Your "fantasy quote" sounds exactly like so many of the statements made about the taxpayer-financed hotel and convention center project.

Had "Crossings" been hyped like the downtown project, might it face less public opposition?

I don't think the public is paying attention, as most folks are just resigned to the fact that elected officials make deals with developers, regardless of the consequences to traffic and future tax rates.

It's a shame our state has gotten to the point that approximately half (and likely more) of all our citizen's employment is government funded, either directly or indirectly. Private industry needs to work with layers of bureaucrats and participate in various programs just to survive in this state.

It's scary to think that the only healthy high growth industry left here is government itself.
ReaganRepublican
QUOTE (ReaganRepublican @ Jan 14 2009, 06:10 AM)
How about if it instead read like this:

Great, when do you move in?

I mean, if it's that simple, where are these businesses? What can we really offer them? Where are they locating instead? What concessions have the areas that host them made? Please share your list of candidates.

Ahh yes, fantasy. At least my statement was factual.
runutz
QUOTE (runutz @ Jan 14 2009, 07:35 AM)
Great, when do you move in?

I mean, if it's that simple, where are these businesses? What can we really offer them? Where are they locating instead? What concessions have the areas that host them made? Please share your list of candidates.

These upstart businesses are located in regions that show political leadership by offering incentives to help create a business environment friendly to developing new technologies. You can offer reasonably priced office/plant leases and utilities, modern facilities, access to working capital, and promote programs that encourage some of the new technologies being developed within our higher education institutions to stay in Pennsylvania to grow upstart businesses into high paying jobs. Here, not somewhere else.

You mention "concessions" that must be made. The most vitally important concession government needs to make is the realization that the high cost of government contributes to the high cost of living that contribute to new businesses going someplace else to get established during their formative years when they need lots of money to get going.

Share a list of candidates? Anybody with common sense and the realization that high costs of living send jobs to lower priced, private industry friendly regions (and nations). Pennsylvania's state and local governments are hostile towards small business, treating it as another group of people to squeeze money out of to pay for daily operating expenses.

We need to be smart with where to spend government money, rather than wasting it all on daily expenses - and more politically inspired construction projects. Convention centers and sports arenas do not create new technologies and modern industries.
ReaganRepublican
QUOTE (ReaganRepublican @ Jan 15 2009, 05:54 AM)
These upstart businesses are located in regions that show political leadership by offering incentives to help create a business environment friendly to developing new technologies. You can offer reasonably priced office/plant leases and utilities, modern facilities, access to working capital, and promote programs that encourage some of the new technologies being developed within our higher education institutions to stay in Pennsylvania to grow upstart businesses into high paying jobs. Here, not somewhere else.

You mention "concessions" that must be made. The most vitally important concession government needs to make is the realization that the high cost of government contributes to the high cost of living that contribute to new businesses going someplace else to get established during their formative years when they need lots of money to get going.

Share a list of candidates? Anybody with common sense and the realization that high costs of living send jobs to lower priced, private industry friendly regions (and nations). Pennsylvania's state and local governments are hostile towards small business, treating it as another group of people to squeeze money out of to pay for daily operating expenses.

We need to be smart with where to spend government money, rather than wasting it all on daily expenses - and more politically inspired construction projects. Convention centers and sports arenas do not create new technologies and modern industries.


So you got nothin'. Thanks for playing.
runutz
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