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Ex-Amishman: Church ruined me
Files federal lawsuit
Intelligencer Journal
Mar 04, 2009 02:22 EST
Kirkwood
By BRIAN WALLACE, Staff Writer

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QUOTE (easy @ Mar 5 2009, 08:27 PM)
Are you suggesting that if you were an employer and one day none of your employees showed up, you would be totally cool with that? Lets say because of a conversation you had with your family about some personal issue, and ka-boom your employees are history?

Yeah I'm buying that! You are just not going to answer the question either.


How dare you accuse me of not answering the question, when I already have. I have been an employer most of my career; I've started a number of businesses from scratch, not with the intention of running them forever, but with the intention of getting them off the ground, and then selling them to someone who wants to operate, not start.

Employees are just another supplier. Many times, I've had an employee say, "My husband got a new job in so-and-so, and we're moving, so I'm quitting," or say, "I've been putting my resume out, and the big factory just called me. It's $7/hour more, so I'm going with that job." And I've also had the post office say, "It's not $250 to send out this mailing any more; we raised our rates and it's $400," and a supplier say, "I can't fill your order for XYZ any more; we've switched to ABC instead" when I'd already tried ABC and found that it didn't work, and I needed to buy XYZ even though it was more expensive.

There aren't any guarantees in business. Something changes every day. And if you can't cope with figuring out how to deal with those changes, you'll soon be out of business. And, I note, this jerk is.

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The Amish businesses are niche businesses. They do not automatically transfer into a non-Amish entity. Remember all those exemptions? Operating a non-Amish business with non-Amish employees may literally not have been an option.


He wasn't in "an amish business". His business did metal fabrications. There are lots of non-Amish metal fab shops.

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So he went from running a business that, based on its cash flow and whatever else is figured in, when if compared to other comparable businesses, could very well have been assessed at a $1,000,000. And after paying off the loan, what was left? Not very much. So he is starting over his life, he has to find a new place to live and work, all for what?


If his business was viable only because it was being subsidized by the Amish, he didn't have a business, he had a charity. If it a business, then how many thousands of dollars should someone get as compensation when they get a good job and are forced to live without Food Stamps? Dagnabbit, maybe I ought to get myself a couple dozen of those Food Stamps businesses, then get myself a decent income, and sue for billions of dollars for the Food Stamps recieving businesses I've been screwed out of.

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I've counseled restraint in an earlier comment, but looking at it in those terms, I hope he takes them for every damn penny he can get and then some!


Because you think it's right and just and honorable to welsh on debts?

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And what's with all the name calling? Disreputable? immoral? cretin? What makes you so special?


What makes me so special is that I've spent a lifetime building up a reputation for reputable behavior, for acting in a moral fashion, and having far more intelligence than a turnip. But actually, it's not me that's special, it's most people.

It's just this clown - and people like you - that think it's OK to lie and cheat and steal. Or am I being redundant? Am I mentioning the same person twice?

QUOTE (dragonrider @ Mar 5 2009, 11:42 PM)
Unitarians don't necessarily believe in any God, some are Buddhists, some christian, some deists, some atheists, some are pagans etc. I have met many Pagan Unitarians that believe in multiple Gods.


Are you related to the guy who invented "fat-free half-and-half" that Land-O-Lakes sells? Have you considered selling Vegan angus beef and Kosher bacon?

By definition, a unitarian believe in the unity, rather than multiple gods.

<h2 class="me">u⋅ni⋅tar⋅i⋅an </h2> –noun 1. a person who maintains that God is one being, rejecting the doctrine of the Trinity. 2. (initial capital letter) a member of a liberal religious denomination founded upon the doctrine that God is one being, and giving each congregation complete control over its affairs. Compare Unitarian Universalism. 3. an advocate of unity or centralization, as in government. –adjective 4. (initial capital letter) pertaining to the Unitarians or their doctrines; accepting Unitarianism; belonging to the Unitarians. 5. unitary.
Harl Delos
How dare you accuse me of not answering the question, when I already have. I have been an employer most of my career; I've started a number of businesses from scratch, not with the intention of running them forever, but with the intention of getting them off the ground, and then selling them to someone who wants to operate, not start.

Employees are just another supplier. Many times, I've had an employee say, "My husband got a new job in so-and-so, and we're moving, so I'm quitting," or say, "I've been putting my resume out, and the big factory just called me. It's $7/hour more, so I'm going with that job." And I've also had the post office say, "It's not $250 to send out this mailing any more; we raised our rates and it's $400," and a supplier say, "I can't fill your order for XYZ any more; we've switched to ABC instead" when I'd already tried ABC and found that it didn't work, and I needed to buy XYZ even though it was more expensive.

There aren't any guarantees in business. Something changes every day. And if you can't cope with figuring out how to deal with those changes, you'll soon be out of business. And, I note, this jerk is.
He wasn't in "an amish business". His business did metal fabrications. There are lots of non-Amish metal fab shops.
If his business was viable only because it was being subsidized by the Amish, he didn't have a business, he had a charity. If it a business, then how many thousands of dollars should someone get as compensation when they get a good job and are forced to live without Food Stamps? Dagnabbit, maybe I ought to get myself a couple dozen of those Food Stamps businesses, then get myself a decent income, and sue for billions of dollars for the Food Stamps recieving businesses I've been screwed out of.
Because you think it's right and just and honorable to welsh on debts?
What makes me so special is that I've spent a lifetime building up a reputation for reputable behavior, for acting in a moral fashion, and having far more intelligence than a turnip. But actually, it's not me that's special, it's most people.

It's just this clown - and people like you - that think it's OK to lie and cheat and steal. Or am I being redundant? Am I mentioning the same person twice?
Are you related to the guy who invented "fat-free half-and-half" that Land-O-Lakes sells? Have you considered selling Vegan angus beef and Kosher bacon?

By definition, a unitarian believe in the unity, rather than multiple gods.

<h2 class="me">u⋅ni⋅tar⋅i⋅an </h2> –noun 1. a person who maintains that God is one being, rejecting the doctrine of the Trinity. 2. (initial capital letter) a member of a liberal religious denomination founded upon the doctrine that God is one being, and giving each congregation complete control over its affairs. Compare Unitarian Universalism. 3. an advocate of unity or centralization, as in government. –adjective 4. (initial capital letter) pertaining to the Unitarians or their doctrines; accepting Unitarianism; belonging to the Unitarians. 5. unitary.


Uh, no you have NOT answered the question!

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Are you suggesting that if you were an employer and one day none of your employees showed up, you would be totally cool with that? Lets say because of a conversation you had with your family about some personal issue, and ka-boom your employees are history?


He didn't just lose one employee ( why do you refuse to acknowledge that?) Are you dense, or just being obtuse?
easy
QUOTE (Harl Delos @ Mar 6 2009, 02:34 AM)
http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png) a member of a liberal religious denomination founded upon the doctrine that God is one being, and giving each congregation complete control over its affairs. Compare Unitarian Universalism. 3. an advocate of unity or centralization, as in government. –adjective 4. (initial capital letter) pertaining to the Unitarians or their doctrines; accepting Unitarianism; belonging to the Unitarians. 5. unitary.
You prolly have never been a member of a Unitarian Congregation if you had you would know the truth of my statements. Unitarians are not all believers in any God or in any one God. I have been a member of two different congregations of Unitarians and I know of which I speak. When no other "Christian?"congregation would even let me attend Unitarian Fellowship is where I found a spiritual home where yes I could worship as a Christian but was not required to believe in Christianity or any other religion.
dragonrider
Some of you guys may be getting a little to involved in this subject since this is still just a one sided story.
steve78
QUOTE (easy @ Mar 6 2009, 09:17 AM)
Uh, no you have NOT answered the question!


Yes, I have. EMPLOYEES ARE NOT SLAVES. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO QUIT, AT ANY TIME, FOR ANY REASON. I am absolutely, positively opposed to slavery.

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He didn't just lose one employee ( why do you refuse to acknowledge that?) Are you dense, or just being obtuse?


Why would it be wrong for one employee to quit, simply because someone else has quit?

If I hear someone yell "I quit" at a big chain store, and go stomping out the door, does that make it right for me to loot the store?

It's becoming more and more apparent: your employees didn't quit because someone told them to. They quit because you're morally repugnant.
Harl Delos
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