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Lancaster New Era
Apr 15, 2009 11:26 EST
Lancaster
By CINDY STAUFFER, Staff Writer

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QUOTE (Wonder @ Apr 15 2009, 09:26 PM)
Not very much, actually.


Spirituality is the belief of the idea of a high power. Religion is the term used for the 10% extortion that is collected every Sunday around the country.
Sprawl
QUOTE (ace1969 @ Apr 15 2009, 03:48 PM)
The award was rolled right back into Kenya.

actual weekend attendance average is a bit over 8,300. A count is done during each service.

Why the animosity?



No animosity, just stating the facts. It is almost like your blind to the facts, if this is the church of the future, then may God help us all.
BigBaron55
I'm am trying to understand. I was raised in small churches, 100 or less. We started at LCBC when we were about 750+. The focus is towards, non-Christians and new Christians. All the teaching is still very strongly Bible-based, salvation presenting and no were near missional in style. It is just contemporary. Jesus has 5000+ and that probably was just counting the men. Central is near that for a football game and I consider church much more important.

ace1969
QUOTE (ace1969 @ Apr 16 2009, 09:16 AM)
I'm am trying to understand. I was raised in small churches, 100 or less. We started at LCBC when we were about 750+. The focus is towards, non-Christians and new Christians. All the teaching is still very strongly Bible-based, salvation presenting and no were near missional in style. It is just contemporary. Jesus has 5000+ and that probably was just counting the men. Central is near that for a football game and I consider church much more important.



I wonder if Mike Williams would agree with your assement of what is more important.
BigBaron55
QUOTE (BigBaron55 @ Apr 15 2009, 12:24 PM)
Seems like the leaders of local churches need to stop building bigger buildings and start to concentrate on helping people in the community. There are so many needs that people have, look in Manheim, there is huge building of buildings, but are they really reaching people?
eoi

How about if churches paid their fair share of taxes as well for once!
I am a lancaster city resident tired of having to pay outrageous property taxes because
the money-making water-st mission (which takes residents social security monies and their welfare monies for services which cost them near nothing if that!) and other church related properties in the city that pay zero taxes while making money off the poor
I remember while at one poor excuse for a 'community meal' the minister remarked on how they were able to provide food due to free volunteer help and donated food for 1.40 per meal while the church was reimbursed by the federal govt for $7 per meal!
If churches want to masquerade as do-good institutions while turning a profit for themselves then they should be taxed as any profit making operation and at THE VERY LEAST pay their fair share of property taxes so as to take the every increasing burden of taxes off the beleagered(sp) city resident.

thanks for reading my little posting
ben9030
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