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Protest to target city surveillance cameras
Intelligencer Journal
Jun 26, 2009 20:37 EST
Lancaster
By LORI VAN INGEN, Staff Writer

Correction — Charlie Crystle, a speaker at the Lancaster Coalition for Peace and Justice rally today, not only spoke against the video-surveillance system to City Council last July, as it was reported in the article below, posted on LancasterOnline Friday, he has been speaking against it since at least 2007.

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A Los Angeles Times story earlier this week reported that there's been little outcry about the 165 closed-circuit TV cameras surveilling Lancaster — but that's about to change.

The Lancaster Coalition for Peace and Justice will hold a rally to express opposition to the video surveillance at noon Saturday in Binns Park.

Bill Adams, an LCPJ volunteer, said the group has been planning its strategy to oppose the surveillance for six weeks.

According to Adams, the L.A. Times story — "Lancaster, Pa., keeps a close eye on itself" — "gave the impression that there was no organized opposition."

"But we'd always planned on a demonstration," Adams said. "This just ramped up our plans, and we decided to strike while the iron is hot."

Alan Nitchman, a senior at McCaskey High School, will speak from a youth's perspective about the effects of video surveillance at Saturday's rally.

Charlie Crystle, a business adviser and School District of Lancaster school board candidate, also will speak. According to his blog, Crystle has been speaking out against the surveillance cameras since last July, when he "pleaded" with city council and Mayor Rick Gray to "bring the cameras under city control so the operation of them was at least subject to public scrutiny, Sunshine laws and other controls that ensure accountability, oversight and transparency."

Adams said he and his son, Sgt. 1st Class Brent Adams, who was killed in Iraq in 2005, took a 120-mile hike in the United Kingdom in 2004 and found bucolic, centuries-old cities with signs at the entranceways stating they were under surveillance around the clock.

"It made me apprehensive," Adams said, "and I said 'Thank goodness it's not here at home.' "

But now it is, and that disturbs Adams even more.

Adams said the installation of the 165-camera video surveillance system was carried out in a "stealth-like fashion" with little publicity.

"I wake up one morning," Adams said, "and find out that we are the most heavily surveilled city in the nation and, possibly, the world."

He said that when the Lancaster Community Safety Coalition — a quasi-public entity that monitors the cameras without official government oversight — held its public meetings last spring, they were more like presentations about what was going to happen instead of an opportunity for the public to ask probing questions.

"I feel there needs to be an open forum in a two-way fashion," Adams said.

He said that when video surveillance is installed, there is a perception that security is higher, but that the statistics don't bear that out. Criminals just migrate from areas with cameras to areas without cameras, he said.

Another concern, Adams said, is that there's no oversight of the volunteers who monitor the cameras.

"What credentials do they have?" he said.

Adams is concerned that one of the volunteers might have a grudge against someone and use the video footage as leverage against that person — or use the footage as some sort of "social sorting … constantly tracking people based on if they look right."

"I don't feel in a free society that's appropriate," Adams said.

E-mail: lvaningen@lnpnews.com


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I agree with Mr. Savage.

"The ACLU is the most dangerous organization in the history of America. They should be closed down under RICO [Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations] Statutes."
"The ACLU, who should be rounded up, arrested for sedition. Their property seized, and they should be put into prison as far as I'm concerned"
"The worst vermin in the history of America are the vermin in the ACLU."

Micheal savage
Quotes

http://graham.main.nc.us/~bhammel/INS/RICO.html
Bober40
I agree with Mr. Savage.

"The ACLU is the most dangerous organization in the history of America. They should be closed down under RICO [Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations] Statutes."
"The ACLU, who should be rounded up, arrested for sedition. Their property seized, and they should be put into prison as far as I'm concerned"
"The worst vermin in the history of America are the vermin in the ACLU."

Micheal savage
Quotes

http://graham.main.nc.us/~bhammel/INS/RICO.html


This is how I feel exactly about the Food And Drug Administration, lol.
Bigmaclender2
Every time I see someone say "The ACLU doesn't do anything, blah, blah, blah..." it's a huge red flag to me that the person saying it knows nothing about the ACLU.
reese
QUOTE (Bober40 @ Jun 28 2009, 02:16 PM)
YES JAIL THEM ALL OR SEND THEM TO AN ISLAND GET THEM OT OF THIS COUNTRY!!!!! RIGHT ALONG WITH THE ILLEGAL WHO ARE TAKING FOOD AND HEALTH CARE AND TAXPAYERS DOLLARS OUT OF OUR POCKETS TO THE TUNE OF HUNDRED OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR!!

send WHO to an island bober?!! you rant and rave and don't specify... is it the senior citizens that you want sent away? those that are unable to work? and just how many illegal aliens do you have the pleasure of knowing? you rant and rave about hypotheticals and people i doubt you have ever had any contact with except for what you hear on fox news... i doubt that you read much so i don't think you get your info that way.

QUOTE (reese @ Jun 28 2009, 03:05 PM)
Every time I see someone say "The ACLU doesn't do anything, blah, blah, blah..." it's a huge red flag to me that the person saying it knows nothing about the ACLU.

they don't mind the aclu when they are defending the rights of white supremacists or the klan do they?
june w.
QUOTE (june w. @ Jun 28 2009, 03:15 PM)
they don't mind the aclu when they are defending the rights of white supremacists or the klan do they?


No, but that's a horse of a different stripe.
reese
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