enough with the race card already, it gets old. These individuals were arrested because they broke the law...get off your high horse..

there is nothing wrong with being innocent until proven guilty, sure i agree, but trying to get a charge dropped off of some minute detail is not the job of a defense attorney...their job is to ensure the suspects rights were not violated in anyway, not to find a loop hole to get the CRIMINAL back on the streets.

Agree?

It wasn't a "race card" whatever that means. It was a simply question about why the person objected to the presumption of innocence. But it seems to have hit a sore spot, I wonder why?



That's an understatement. Presumption of innocence is a fundamental premise of the Anglo-Saxon common law system, on which the US system is based. But it is nice you happen to be OK with it.



There is no distinction between a "loop hole" and "ensuring rights were not violated" other than your presumption of guilt for the former and innocence for the latter.

not true...a loop hole and ensuring their constitutional rights have huge differences. You are just to one track minded to realize that. and thanks for pointing out the fundamental premise, I did not know that....WOW.

Let me just sum up what I believe are your opinions...1). You think that because the person(s) stopped in the traffic stop were not white, the police officers were profiling. 2). You question the validity of the traffic stop because in your opinion, the only way a traffic stop can be legal is if the vehicle is in motion. 3). Since 1 and 2 exist, you expect the police/DA to offer a plea deal, because the police had an illegal stop and were profiling?

Now I am just shootin from the hip here saying you are playin the "race card" and do think people should be found not guilty of a crime because of loop holes. A loop hole would be the LEO did not testify to some minute detail, such as the defendant has a prior retail theft conviction (thus being at least a Misdemeanor Offence and the suspect is thus only guilty of a summary) versus a LEO illegally obtaining 100 lbs of marijuana on a traffic stop, which a defense attorney should be involved and the defendant, while still having the 100 lbs of marijuana, should be found not guilty because his rights were violated. I agree that LEO should be expected to work within the law, but why do so many people give the benefit of the doubt to the suspect? Why does the police officer have to be profiling when he initiates a traffic stop on a vehicle which just parked in front of a fire hydrant? If it was night, chances are the LEO did not see if the driver is white, black, hispanic, eskimo or even a cherokee indian. Maybe you should realize the police officer stopped the vehicle for a violation of title 75 (vehicle code) and found cocaine on the traffic stop. In my book, that is a good stop and deserves something other than your constant nagging and bitching that the LEO's were profiling.
Apparently you think I am an idiot because you enjoy belittling my intelligence with your sarcastic text, but if you just take a minute to realize I am simply discussing things, maybe we could both have an intelligent converstaion.

Your first sentence is so full of off-base assumptions that I'm not going to address it. You're projecting some things onto me that are not there, I promise you.

Here was the reason for my reaction to your post: Given the fact that the guy was caught with the stuff AND the girls seemed to confirm he had it, it seems to me the responsible thing would be for him to admit it and take the consequences. It's like honesty and accountability are never even considered. Instead, it's "lets see what we can do to get him out of this." Obviously -- and quite more than you are aware -- I know and respect how our system works. I would like to see, for a change, somebody not looking for a loophole in every nook and cranny, but rather holding themselves accountable. Honesty is going to serve him better in the long run than some lawyer trying -- and probably succeeding -- to weasel him out of it.

Still on the hard drive encrypted and recoverable by various utilities.