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Canada care, through eyes of its citizens
Intelligencer Journal
Lancaster New Era
Oct 27, 2009 00:01 EST
By JEFF HAWKES, Staff Writer

LaMar Weaver's crushing headaches vanished after he had surgery to remove a brain tumor.

But just as things were getting better, his health insurer hit him over the head.

"They didn't want to pay," Weaver said. "They said it was a pre-existing condition."

That was in 1986, when the Honey Brook native was in college in Kentucky and covered by his wife's insurance. Friends and churches helped as medical bills piled up and letters from collection agencies started arriving.

In time, the Weavers' appeal letters moved the insurer to pay part of the cost. "But it was a major headache," he said.

The exercise in aggravation offers a sharp contrast to Weaver's experience in Canada last year after doctors found tumors in his eye and brain.

Universal coverage

A resident of Red Lake, Ontario, since 1999, Weaver, 49, received prompt access to specialists and state-of-the-art technology including lasers and a gamma knife. Treatments are ongoing, but cost is not an issue.

"I understand these procedures would be quite pricey," said Weaver, communications director for Living Hope Native Ministries, but he's never gotten a bill or been asked for a co-pay. The government also pays Weaver's transportation and lodging expenses for appointments in Winnipeg, a six-hour drive.

On a visit to Lancaster County, Weaver got a second opinion. The ophthalmologist assured Weaver, "You're getting exactly the kind of treatment you need."

With Americans sharply divided over how to pay for health care, Weaver thinks he'll just stay in Canada. He has gotten the care he's needed when he needed it. And he never worries about loss of benefits because of unemployment or pre-existing conditions.

"Everybody has a health card," he said, "and you're covered no matter if you're a street person or prime minister."

Taxes are high because of Canada's single-payer system, but Weaver thinks they're worth the peace of mind.

"There are some (Canadians) who would complain, for sure," Weaver said. "But for the most part, I think they would be well satisfied when they look down to the States and hear about the hassles and those who aren't covered."

Nevertheless, Weaver suggested I call a friend in Red Lake who has experienced frustration as a cancer patient. He said her opinion of Canadian health care might differ from his.

Avoiding debt

Indeed, 67-year-old Melva Zook, an Oregon native, told me she had been upset that a spot on her liver that a doctor considered harmless in 2005 was found to be cancer three years later. Spots of cancer were then found on her kidney and lung.

She's spent the past 21 months undergoing scans, biopsies and major operations. She will soon start on a drug to shrink the kidney tumor to an operable size.

Zook wishes she had received a correct diagnosis in 2005, but she doesn't fault the government.

Over the years, her experience with Canadian health care has been positive. She said removal of a cancerous kidney in 2000 and five years of follow-up went "quite well." Gall bladder surgery in 2003 was another success. So was knee surgery in 2007.

"I'm not for big government," Zook said. "I think all of us should be seeing the bills to know the costs."

But she talked of improving Canada's single-payer system, not of abandoning it. And she's glad she doesn't have the problems family and friends face in the U.S.

They are in debt because of medical bills, Zook said, "and will be paying it back for years to come."

jhawkes@lnpnews.com


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QUOTE (solitary @ Nov 6 2009, 08:40 AM)
This seems like contradictory statements to me. How can the patient be seen by an attending who is only on-call, but not on site? Must be a really slow night.

Personally? I don't care if I'm seen by a resident and not by an attending. So far, I haven't had any problem that wasn't resolved by whomever I'd seen the first time. (usually stiches, one appendicitis and a broken collar bone) I never insinuated that the poor are dumped on residents and the rich are seen exclusively by attendings.


Well, I'll bow to your superior knowledge. I'm tired of trying to explain. You're right, no matter what. OK?
reese
QUOTE (crickson @ Nov 6 2009, 08:22 AM)
?

If you don't have a defence for lying, I can understand.
But acting like a schoolgirl on the playground is even below you Bustina.

From the April 16 Democratic primary debate:
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STEPHANOPOULOS: A gentleman named William Ayers, he was part of the Weather Underground in the 1970s. They bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol and other buildings. He's never apologized for that.

And, in fact, on 9/11 he was quoted in The New York Times saying, "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough." An early organizing meeting for your State Senate campaign was held at his house and your campaign has said you are "friendly."

Can you explain that relationship for the voters and explain to Democrats why it won't be a problem?

OBAMA: George, but this is an example of what I'm talking about. This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.

And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense, George.


Obunko "forgot" that he and his "neighbor" worked at the Woods Fund for three years.
If I'm a liar, what is Obunko?
Bustina di tè
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so many Canadian doctors have left the practice and so many young people have entered other fields that Canada ranks 26th of 28 developed nations in its ratio of physicians to population


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Because of these long waits for colonoscopies, there is now a 25 percent higher incidence of colon cancer in Canada than in the United States. And because the leading drugs that we routinely use to treat the malady in the U.S. are banned in Canada because of their high cost, 41 percent of Canadians who get the cancer die of it, compared with only 32 percent in the United States. Overall, the cancer death rate in Canada runs 16 percent higher than in the United States.


http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick...thcare-disaster
Shirley U Geste


From the comments section on this opinion piece:

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This article is a typical example of ideologically motivated trash comming from the US that leaves most Canadians completely cold. We are proud of our system and the last thing a very big majority of Canadians (as all polls show) want is a US style health sytem. Mr Morris, why talk incorrectly about other countries when there is plenty to discuss in the US.
BY chris malone on 11/04/2009 at 10:36

As noted above, Canadians are very happy with our system. There is always room for improvement, but there is no call among Canadians for a massive overhaul of our system so that is more like that of the United States. Mr. Morris, please stop trying to drag Canada and Canadians into your domestic issues. If you can't make an argument in defense of your curret system staying as it is on its current merits, then obviously you have no argument. Don't meddle in the affairs of Canadians.
BY Art Cramer on 11/04/2009 at 11:02

I wonder how long it took him to make this up. Since 2005, an increasing number of doctors have moved to Canada to practice medicine. In fact, we have seen a net loss of physicians to Canada. Fierce opposition? I'm still waiting for the first republican pundit to actually use facts, rather than just manufacturing talking points to advance their political agenda?
BY Ben Norton on 11/04/2009 at 11:28

Mr. Morris writes"A recent survey of doctors by the Pew Institute found that 45 percent of all practicing doctors would consider retiring or closing their practices if the Obama healthcare bill passes."Curiously, he provides no hyperlink to this survey. I cannot find reference to any such poll from the Pew Institute. This figure does come directly from an Investor's Business Daily article concerning a poll that they conducted privately:http: //www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis /Article.aspx?id=506199"Four of nine doctors, or 45%, said they 'would consider leaving their practice or taking an early retirement' if Congress passes the plan the Democratic majority and White House have in mind."IBD provides no methodology concerning this poll, which was conducted by mail, and there is no indication about the response rate or even how the questions were worded.If Mr. Morris cannot properly reference the source for his empirical data, I'm led to believe that he is simply promoting his personal agenda with little regard to social reality. I find his argument that we should refrain from attempting to provide health care to the millions of uninsured Americans because we don't have the doctors to treat them both callous and ridiculous at the same time. If this "problem" represented a true concern, I would expect him to promote policies which seek to make our health care system stronger, not weaker.
BY Raig Pright on 11/04/2009 at 11:41


FYI: dick Morris,
http://www.politicalarticles.net/blog/2008...flock-together/
Bustina di tè
From the April 16 Democratic primary debate:
Obunko "forgot" that he and his "neighbor" worked at the Woods Fund for three years.
If I'm a liar, what is Obunko?

Now forgetfulness is a lie?
I got it.

So what you did with the false quote you credited to Obama is what?
Sociopathic lying?
crickson
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